Do we need an M35 class?
Firstly i do not want abuse abou this. I do not know the answer and am merely stoking a discussion. I am 22 and have no idea of 35+ oreinteering.
There are many examples of M35's wh can match the M21's. Not just at local or national levels but some of the best oreintteers in the world are over 35. (swedish national team even has a 40+ year old runner - someone will know name). It is known that unlike some sports oreinteerers can carry on competeing right at the top level till about 40.
Do we need an M35 class?
M35 or not?
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M35 or not?
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I'd go further than that and say most M40's keep up with me on 21 anyway. And 20's for that matter.
In the old days before most of you we're able to walk let alone orienteer the age groups went 21 35 43 50 56 62 (think it changed in 85). Can any other old person remember why this was changed?
In the old days before most of you we're able to walk let alone orienteer the age groups went 21 35 43 50 56 62 (think it changed in 85). Can any other old person remember why this was changed?
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Do we need M35?
Yes.
From 35 it gets harder to stay fit, injuries take longer to heal, and you get slower anyway. Also, many people have more family commitments etc. etc. Orienteering becomes less important.
True, some of the hundreds of M21s from the 80s and still as quick as most of the the dozens of M21s running today. But just because there are a few quick M35s who can run M21 doesn't mean the majority should be forced to run that far.
Short races and relays are another matter.
Graeme
Yes.
From 35 it gets harder to stay fit, injuries take longer to heal, and you get slower anyway. Also, many people have more family commitments etc. etc. Orienteering becomes less important.
True, some of the hundreds of M21s from the 80s and still as quick as most of the the dozens of M21s running today. But just because there are a few quick M35s who can run M21 doesn't mean the majority should be forced to run that far.
Short races and relays are another matter.
Graeme
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Test races at SprintScotland (Alloa/Falkirk) and Euromeeting (near Stirling).
Test races at SprintScotland (Alloa/Falkirk) and Euromeeting (near Stirling).
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Hey some of us are not 35 yet and have long term injuries and other commitments outside of orienteering which get in the way. I know I can't get anywhere near beating you Graeme! Perhaps the discussion is not so much are M35's as quick as M21's but are M21's as slow as M35's?
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Greame is right - time is often pressing for the 35s - if you've got young kids and have to run split starts - you can be at an event for about 5 hours - no good for anyone - especially the kids - get hacked off with the sport before they've even begun it.
Links in with CC v Badge debate - The white rose are trialing an ageless adult system this year:
Links in with CC v Badge debate - The white rose are trialing an ageless adult system this year:
Badge classes: This year we have agreed to participate in a BOF sponsored trial of a new system aimed at simplifying regional events. The intention is to encourage competitors to enter a course that suits them in terms of length and technical difficulty, rather than based on their age.
The provisional proposals are as follows:
Course 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
Technical Difficulty 5 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 3 2 1
Length(km) 10 8.5 7 6 5 4 3.3 2.7 2.6 2 1.5
These may change slightly but the principle will remain the same. Keep an eye on BOF publications and their website in the coming months for further details and any modifications.
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Though the basis of Graeme's argument is absolutely correct, it appears to me that the trend over the last few years has been for M35L to often be very close in distance to M21L at major events. Therefore the only people who notice a significant difference when they move up to M35 are people who were previously running M21E. Which to my mind rather defeats the object?
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Can we have a 30 as well then cos I'm feeling it already?
As I haven't hit 35 maybe there something I don't know happens suddenly at that age whereby you can't run as far/fast. Is it purely habit we have the threshold of "old age" at 35 and not 30 or 40?
As I haven't hit 35 maybe there something I don't know happens suddenly at that age whereby you can't run as far/fast. Is it purely habit we have the threshold of "old age" at 35 and not 30 or 40?
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