The current regional/badge event guidelines recommend 14 courses, although a TD4 area could happily take 13. The issue is not so much the courses (although there are probably still a tad too many), but the fact that the choice of courses is based on being fitted into an age based class structure. That's really where the new pilot scheme comes in, and it looks interesting.
Incidentally, Aire's recent badge event on Flasby Fell used (I think) 10 courses, and I know that the last Claro badge used 11 (including M21N and W21N), 'cos I planned it.
I find the discussion re colour-coded courses interesting, as one part of the original recommendations when the new junior badge classes came in was to rejig the colour coded structure too: shorten Green a bit (to cater for older runners who find 4-5k too far), marginally shorten Blue and Brown, and thus enable an equally slightly shortened Black to be used more frequently. Got rejected.
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Down in the south at cc events a couple of the courses, Blue and Green get really full and frequently you can wait 45 minutes to get a start time!! I often find the green shorter than I'd like to do but the blue can be 3 or more km longer. I'd welcome a course length inbetween these, still technical difficulty 5. This would then reduce the numbers on teh green and blue. The last time we had a family challenge on the blue I was lapped!
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I prefer a good cc to badge as the competition is usually more intense due to larger number of people on courses. A long red/purple and black would be great. Pre entry using an online credit card service with a premium paid for EOD could solve many problems for organisers. If BOF had this online service for club use the bank rates would be low due to high turnover.
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the Western Night League - another of my favourite series of events
mine too. i prefer score events because of the route choice. i usually manage to pick up a good handful of points without having to go too far. and night orienteering is so much more fun that daylight o-ing!!!! especially now that I have a good headtorch, although it is fun with a petzl. oh - and you mustn't forget the best bit about the WNL - the 2 or more hours spent chatting in the pub afterwards.
sprint races are another favourite of mine. fast and furious, and a few seconds can cost you several places. i love the technicality, as navigation is definitely my strong point
I'd welcome a course length in between these, still technical difficulty 5.
me too. i find greens ok, but I would prefer soething a bit longer. I would run blue but there is so much difference in distance and particularly climb.
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pasta and cheese wrote:
All events colour coded except:
UK cup, FCC, and a simular competition for 35/40+
yearly regional champs
British
JK
Maybe keep nationals?
But what about the ranking scheme i hear you cry. All ranked using the method used at the moment but rather than time use mins/k .
This allows all competetors to compare ranking. IE M35 can look at where he would be on M21 quite accurately. (this idea was explored by someone 6 years ago and was published in a BOF newsletter - anyone know any more?)
I wrote this earlier, don't really think that this idea would work. But it possibly could with a bit of the tinkering in the courses/number of courses etc that everyone seems to be suggesting.
I would prefer this but then that's me....
Anyone with me on this or am i talking a load of kosh?
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brooner wrote:its been said before, somewhere in another topic, long easyier courses are definately needed where possible, a much better option for getting people from xc etc backgrounds into orienteering.
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Just about the time I started orienteering I seem to remember they replaced the red coures ( a longer orange) with light green to bridge the technical dif gap from orange to green. I also saw on a course planning guide the requirements for a purple which is apparently the equivalent of a very long orange. Has anyone out there ever run a purple course
I think reintroducing it could help broden the appeal of orienteering to runners.
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I seem to remember they replaced the red coures ( a longer orange) with light green to bridge the technical dif gap from orange to green. I also saw on a course planning guide the requirements for a purple which is apparently the equivalent of a very long orange. Has anyone out there ever run a purple course
The Red wasn't actually replaced. A light green was inserted between Orange and Green as you say, but Red still exists as a longer Orange.
I think WCOC use Purple quite a bit in their summer evening events. I've seen it occasionally elsewhere, but haven't run any, although some courses labelled 'Brown' and 'Blue' have sometims felt like a Purple!
Unfortunately, to my way of thinking, the guidelines fudge the Green to Black standards, stating that if the area isn't up to TD5 then competitors should merely be told that this is so. "The most effective way of doing this is to provide a brief description of the terrain in the event advertising."
Unfortunately, this often means that controllers/planners then just make lower level courses relatively easier, rather than planning to correct standards (at least 3 controllers told me off for stating that LG was an absolute not a relative standard during consultation for the junior badge scheme). Trickle down effect means that for instance the Yellow and Orange gets diluted, and too many youngsters/parents think the the standard is easier than it actually is, so when they come to a correctly planned event......
Might be solved if we saved 'Light' to mean a top level standard course wasn't up to full standard (e.g. Light Blue). A bit messy, but better than the current fudge. Then Light Green would simply be used for the Green when it was not a TD5 area.
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Hi Pasta
I don't think you're talking kost at all. Looks good. If you're having national competitions for age classes, then I wouldn't bother with national events (cos that's what would effectively replace national events), but maybe have area/regional championships.
I don't think you're talking kost at all. Looks good. If you're having national competitions for age classes, then I wouldn't bother with national events (cos that's what would effectively replace national events), but maybe have area/regional championships.
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Our Club tries to organise a Purple course at each cc event to encourage the x-country runners to participate, with reasonable success. Usual distance is about 7km.
May be we should have a longer course - a Deep Purple? - we could play air guitar solos on the way round
May be we should have a longer course - a Deep Purple? - we could play air guitar solos on the way round
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I strongly agree with the principle that there are too many courses for the majority of Badge sorry Regional events - too much effort for the organisers for a marginal gain in competitor enjoyment. Events like the Tamar when you get to compete against your own age group but can still compare notes with all the other age groups on your course work well.
I guess that would still hold good at a CC with more courses - but please have pity on newcomers & anyone trying to explain the colour system to them - Light Blues with an option for Deep Purple to Black? (and what do we call a TD5 that is shorter than a Green?!)
I guess that would still hold good at a CC with more courses - but please have pity on newcomers & anyone trying to explain the colour system to them - Light Blues with an option for Deep Purple to Black? (and what do we call a TD5 that is shorter than a Green?!)
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helen wrote:the Western Night League - another of my favourite series of events
mine too. i prefer score events because of the route choice. i usually manage to pick up a good handful of points without having to go too far. and night orienteering is so much more fun that daylight o-ing!!!! especially now that I have a good headtorch, although it is fun with a petzl. oh - and you mustn't forget the best bit about the WNL - the 2 or more hours spent chatting in the pub afterwards.
sprint races are another favourite of mine. fast and furious, and a few seconds can cost you several places. i love the technicality, as navigation is definitely my strong pointI'd welcome a course length in between these, still technical difficulty 5.
me too. i find greens ok, but I would prefer soething a bit longer. I would run blue but there is so much difference in distance and particularly climb.
Helen i agree the western night league is good - mainly due to the pub
but if you're gonna make a course longer its harder to do it without adding climb
women - and i'm not sexist - a lot find a 2km jump larger than most men would. Its just the way the body is built - naturally there are many exceptions - so i agree that many women would like a 5km light blue. its fair
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trebor wrote:women - and i'm not sexist - a lot find a 2km jump larger than most men would. Its just the way the body is built - naturally there are many exceptions - so i agree that many women would like a 5km light blue. its fair
Ha ha! "Women: know your limits. In thought, be plain and simple - and
let your natural sweetness shine through." What about those dear old coffin dodgers with their rickety knees, and spindly legs? Their bodies just aren't built like they used to be are they? There too are many exceptions, but let's make it a bit easier for them, eh? Bit rich coming from a boy who finds Drummond Hill too steep for him isn't it?
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i was only 8 when i ran at drummond hill, that was my memory - anyway i did 47 today for 5.7km with 270m (M16A)
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Women - and i'm not sexist - a lot find a 2km jump larger than most men would. Its just the way the body is built - naturally there are many exceptions - so i agree that many women would like a 5km light blue. its fair
Trebor, this is complete rubbish. If you generally run shorter courses, then a 2km jump is bigger than if you are used to running longer courses. That applies to men and women, and has absolutely nothing to do with gender. I can assure you that for a fat slob like me, a 2km jump in distance is every bit as hard as for others running similarly short distances. If anything (and this is a gross generalisation), women are naturally better adapted to endurance events, as their fat conversion systems are more efficient. Not that that should make a huge difference over the sorts of distances we're talking about.
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