I can't actually plot my route on routegadget because I ran off the map vertically!
My other big mistake was around Fenchurch St which is about 300 metres from my office. What do they say about familiarity?
Excellent event though - and I would love another go on the same map in the future.
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I share your despair, Firhayes.
Not only did I run on the road under the Barbican I then compounded the problem by heading North and running off the map!
Not only did I run on the road under the Barbican I then compounded the problem by heading North and running off the map!
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OCM45 wrote:I share your despair, Firhayes.
Not only did I run on the road under the Barbican I then compounded the problem by heading North and running off the map!
I think I was in the same place as you!! Luckily I saw hubby up above going into the control at the correct level so avoided going off the map. It was a close call though
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OCM45 wrote:I share your despair, Firhayes.
Not only did I run on the road under the Barbican I then compounded the problem by heading North and running off the map!
I thought the map was excellent, but a little foreknowledged helped to avoid level interpretation problems.... I had a relatively clear run, just too slow.
Having sat at home since I've wondered about the ability to portray narrow (1-2m wide) staircases on any map with sufficient clarity for everybody. When there are so many narrow runways bounded by impassable walls getting the staircases clear and in combination with a canopy must be a difficult job.
I've also had difficulty where very narrow alleyways have a very small and correctly mapped canopy, as the delimiter line can look like a faint impassable. I think the open women's had one of these on 2-3.
Canopy grey is too faint for me when features are very small. I liked the slightly bluer tones
Think I'll upgrade my glasses
SLOW and co - fantastic job. Now get the contract for that showcase 2012 job
Finally, are we going to have to call all our races like this 'urban' and not 'sprint' in order not to fall foul of the ISSOM2007 statement that 'sprint' races MUST be traffic free?
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there is a distinct difference between urban and sprint - these distances and times could never be called sprint - it's important because some folk wouldn't be seen dead at a sprint!
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Mrs H wrote:there is a distinct difference between urban and sprint - these distances and times could never be called sprint - it's important because some folk wouldn't be seen dead at a sprint!
OK.
Marketing again
No sure who those 'better dead than sprinting' guys/gals are; I've seen an awful lot of classic orienteers who avoid low TD District and Local non-urban like the plague, but are there for most of the sprints and urbans; guess it's the intensity of the competition
So, back to another thread...
Urban races are longer than sprint and can be run alongside traffic. And if you accept the ISSOM statement that the interaction of competitors with traffic/pedestrians leads to an unfair and unpredictable influence on the result (and is dangerous to boot), then they can NEVER be mainstream and must therefore always be at best L3, but in the light of the new proposals are probably 'ad-hoc' ie outside the event structure. YUK! (but I do understand the sentiment to ensure there are no accidents)
Sprint races are short and must be traffic free, and can be L2/1 therefore.
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Sprint is a distance/technique; urban is a terrain type?
Yorkshire Pudding (LU campus)is sprint distance urban? But Skipton is urban distance urban, and Beckett Park is inbetween distance mixed park/campus night
No wonder newcomers get confused.
(Aire - great combination of types, just getting at our classifications) Wrong thread.
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geomorph wrote:Urban races are longer than sprint and can be run alongside traffic.
Not necessarily. Urban describes the environment, sprint the distance. Of course you can have urban sprints: JK this year was a good example, as was Manchester Uni (chasing sprint). This is acknowledged in the foreword and introduction to ISSOM 2007 - the spec is largely built around urban terrain! On the whole, urban sprints need to be traffic free. Of course you can have non-urban sprints too. I would guess that 'park' is another environment (or is that included under urban or non-urban? Does it matter: it looks like a park, it feels like a park, therefore it is likely to be a park).
You do get some misnomers: York Park Race actually contains very little park.
And if you accept the ISSOM statement that the interaction of competitors with traffic/pedestrians leads to an unfair and unpredictable influence on the result (and is dangerous to boot), then they can NEVER be mainstream and must therefore always be at best L3, but in the light of the new proposals are probably 'ad-hoc' ie outside the event structure.
Yes, but they are specifically talking about sprint. Situation is a bit different for longer races: to my mind Saturday's race was a good example of an L2 competition.
Yorkshire Pudding (LU campus)is sprint distance urban? But Skipton is urban distance urban, and Beckett Park is inbetween distance mixed park/campus night. No wonder newcomers get confused.
Newcomers? I'm confused!! Leeds is a chasing sprint in urban terrain; Beckett Park is a night event over standard distances mostly in parkland; Skipton is a standard distance race in urban terrain. I know 'standard' is not a standard term, but neither event is either 'long' or 'middle', true of most events.
What was that about getting bogged down in geeky terminology?!
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Urban races are longer than sprint and can be run alongside traffic. ..... they can NEVER be mainstream and must therefore always be at best L3, but in the light of the new proposals are probably 'ad-hoc' ie outside the event structure. YUK!
From "An overview of the new structure" on the BOF web site .........
4.2 Regional Events may be Sprint, Urban, Middle Distance, etc. as well as the traditional cross country format.
This is one thing the restructuring does seem to have got right.
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This is why I started the other thread on 'terminology' cos I was messing up this one.
If you've anything to add, would you do it there ?
If you've anything to add, would you do it there ?
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Anyone know what the product/material is that was used for securing the control boxes in London. It looks pretty thin metal -surely pliers would go through it?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21629395@N07/2932569848/sizes/o/in/set-72157607944184047/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21629395@N07/2932569848/sizes/o/in/set-72157607944184047/
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See here for explanation
I'd recommend the 3mm wire (about £0.78/metre in B&Q), and i'd also recommend using wire grips like these so you can re-use the wire in future:
pliers probably won't go through it, needed wire cutters, hence why using the wire grips and a wrench is my preferred option, although it is a bit slower than using the gripples.
I'd recommend the 3mm wire (about £0.78/metre in B&Q), and i'd also recommend using wire grips like these so you can re-use the wire in future:
pliers probably won't go through it, needed wire cutters, hence why using the wire grips and a wrench is my preferred option, although it is a bit slower than using the gripples.
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I'm not quite sure what to make of this but we made the Times today, even if it was in the City Diary section.
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brooner wrote: i'd also recommend using wire grips like these so you can re-use the wire in future
This weekend at the Yorkshire Pudding we're using B&Q wire as suggested by brooner, but instead of wire grips we're using large amp electrical 'chocolate block' connectors. These are much cheaper, and almost as vandal resistant (cos they'll need a very thin screwdriver to undo them)
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