Brown Clee Hill National Event

[LostOldTimer]

Please feel free to post any comments regrading the Brown Clee Hill National Event,

BUT Has anyone aspare seat in their car, and offer a lift to/from the event from South Yorkshire / Derbyshire (or anyone passing) PLEASE ? Contribution to petrol given of course.

[Mrs H]

Please feel free to post any comments regrading the Brown Clee Hill National Event,

It's going to be great - even the weather!

Quote Met Office

UK Outlook for Saturday 7 Jun 2008 to Monday 16 Jun 2008:
over the weekend much of England and Wales are likely to see drier conditions with plenty of sunshine, light winds and just the odd shower. This sets the scene for the rest of the period with high pressure expected to dominate

[EddieH]

Please feel free to post any comments regrading the Brown Clee Hill National Event

Is this you again trying to make fur fly? Do you want it to lose its WRE status, selection status, or the whole lot

[LostOldTimer]

Is Routegadget going to be available?

[andy]

Is Routegadget going to be available?

not much point now, if you don't get RG up within a few hours of the event (when people are checking results and the route is fresh in their mind) then it rarely gets used.

[Gnitworp]

Might be interesting to see how many people used the 'mandatory crossing points' (see final details).

[DM]

Might be interesting to see how many people used the 'mandatory crossing points' (see final details).

Only if you want to open up the whole (well debated several times already) topic of do people read the final details, was it stated/marked on the map debate.

I would like to see RG to learn where I gained or lost time but suspect that 2 weeks on not many will enter their routes, as Andy said.

[Gnitworp]

Might be interesting to see how many people used the 'mandatory crossing points' (see final details).

Only if you want to open up the whole (well debated several times already) topic of do people read the final details, was it stated/marked on the map debate.

Avoidance of ambiguity and misunderstanding is the key.

[DM]

Gnitworp,

The key to what? Can you clarify exactly what you're alluding to please?

[Gnitworp]

Quote from Final Details:

'There are many fences throughout the area and the courses have been planned to cross these at existing gates and openings or at stiles built for the duration of the event. The use of these crossing points is mandatory'

I diverted my route off the optimum where this involved a small diversion, however, on one occasion use of a crossing point would have involved a significant diversion from any sensible route and I crossed a fence (because not doing so seemed to negate the purpose of a good leg) with the intention of asking to be disqualified when I finished.

Before doing this, however, I discussed the leg with two other competitors on my course both of whom crossed this fence, as I had done, not at a crossing point; neither, incidentally, had remembered the relevant part of the Final Details.

Realising that probably most people on my course had not used the crossing point, I decided not to tell the organisers about my 'misdemeanour'.

Anyone dutifully diverting their route to use the crossing point would have been heavily disadvantaged.

Small advantage could have been gained by anyone not using a crossing point on several other legs. Were they allowed to do so? or were they expected to make a value judgement as to whether or not any particular leg had been 'planned to cross' fences at crossing points?

I emailed the organiser for clarification about this on the evening of the event, but have as yet received no reply.

[HOCOLITE]

Organiser has been on holiday. A well earned rest I think.

Route Gadget not likely to happen due to non OS registration or something like that

[graeme]

Might be interesting to see how many people used the 'mandatory crossing points' (see final details).

As usual, everyone used the mandatory crossing points as shown on the map. Just like you're meant to under WRE rules. Anyone who expects anything different really has no idea...

[Gnitworp]

So no crossing points were mandatory since no lines (on my course) were broken or diverted or fences marked as uncrossable on the map? If we'd known, I and many others on my course would have done better times.

[EddieH]

It just staggers me tat we can't get out act together on this VITAL set of rules.

It is absolutely clear from the above that the band that say that everyone should read the details or take the consequences are wrong. There are clear ways of marking illegal crossings - PLEASE use them.

After all if it is that important not to violate certain boundaries or areas, you don't want people to do it for the future of the sport - let's cut out ambiguity, uncertainty and unfairness.

And for those that don't know a line of crosses on a feature does not mean it may not be crossed - it means you may not run along it - interesting on a fence

[andy]

let's cut out ambiguity, uncertainty and unfairness.

but the organisers had to ensure there were enough 'Whistles are compulsory' signs as well as having the manpower to enforce it on the start line! Where's the time to ensure crossing points are correctly marked on the map??