Scottish Champs

[greywolf]

Anyone from SOA / Intelopers know when & where start times will be published?
Int website points you to SOA website, which has multiple links to the provisional final event details (still trying to get me head round that one, but I assume all the links are to the same pdf) and a rather outofdate "We intend to publish start lists on Sunday 18th May"...

[Paul Frost]

The start lists will be on the SOA website as soon as they are available.
I have now edited the item to remove the repeated links.

[Paul Frost]

I am informed that the start lists will be on-line on Tuesday evening.

The other good news is that Wilf's will be at the event.

[SIman]

Start lists are now on the SOA website. I believe that there were a lot of requests for late start times so some of these are not quite as late as others
There is also a list of all teams entered for the relays.

[Homer]

I note the Final Details are still called the 'Provisional Final Event Information'. When will these become the Final Final Event Information?!!
Not sure whether I should wait before printing them off.........

[Becks]

Surely if you're going to go to the trouble of having an extra elite course on top of the longs, you should be seeding the start list? It is a National Champs after all. Sending myself and Hollie off two hours before the majority of the competitors because we're based a bit closer geographically hardly seems fair. I haven't looked at the men's starts so I don't know if they're as bad.

[mappingmum]

Personally, I thought the start lists were EXCELLENT.

I have asked for 3 splits and they have fitted them all in very nicely, even allowing for the 25 min walk to the far start.

[greywolf]

Sending myself and Hollie off two hours before the majority of the competitors

?
have you got the right list? the one i have just downloaded has 2 early starters 12.55 & 13.35, then you at 13.51 and then runners every 8 minutes until 15.27 (except for 1 empty slot at 14.55)

[Snail]

But isn't the purpose of seeding (as opposed to a seeded block) just to ensure that seeded competitors don't start within 4 minutes of one another? (I think the rule even says that if start intervals are greater than 4 minutes then no seeding is necessary.) There is nothing to say that such competitors can't start 30 minutes apart...

But I accept that a long gap could potentially give rise to rather different weather conditions, and thus arguably some avoidable unfairness.

[andy]

But isn't the purpose of seeding (as opposed to a seeded block) just to ensure that seeded competitors don't start within 4 minutes of one another?

Pretty much, yes.

It's not a seeded block because one isn't needed.

Haven't been able to easily decipher the start lists myself since they are in name order! Wish they'd posted class/time order too, would've been much easier to see what's what.

[Becks]

If we're going to talk definitions, then maybe I should phrase myself differently: Why, in a National Champs, is the elite course start list apparently random?

[Paul Frost]

The "Provisional" final details are the last that will be issued.
Any minor changes required may be handed out as an errata sheet.
I have edited the item on the SOA site, but the downloaded file is still named provisional.

[Spookster]

The start list by surname isn't really user friendly. Here it is by course/start time.
Scottish Champs start list (user friendly version )

Why, in a National Champs, is the elite course start list apparently random?

Because according to the applicable rules, guidelines and appendix L, there is no requirement to do otherwise.

[andy]

The start list by surname isn't really user friendly. Here it is by course/start time

thank you!

and it doesn't look too random for the elite courses. The gap between runners is correct and I'm assuming they have honored start time requests so people travelling from further afield can make it (which the guidelines say you should). With so few competitors I don't see any need for any more than this?

it's certainly a breath of fresh air when you consider the hassles caused (to me anyway) by the british middle champs refusing to change start times, ignoring the seeding rules and generally being very un-cooperative!

[Becks]

But my point is why call it "elite" if it's not set up like an elite level race? You can't request start times in elite champs because the starts are prepared according to rankings, not sending the people who live the closest out into the forest first. I can't think of any other country that would do that with an elite class at a National Champs.