Okay,
WOC has 3 race distances as you know; sprint, middle and long.
Question is which would you rather win and why?
Or do you think that one distance is more pretigious? ie middle over long.
Or maybe winning has different connertations,
Short = Fastest orienteer
Middle = Best
Long = Hardest
I have been off the "scene" for a few years (since 200) but when i was, i thought that the classic distance was the best to win. Not only was this the classic distance but also if you won you were world champion not classic distance world champion. If you compare that to if you win the short distance you would be short distance champion not just world champion.
Is this general opinion now?
Interesting if you think of which one you would rather win.
As I say that was my perception 4 years ago and not only was i probably wrong then and things might have changed.
So go ahead share you ideas and dreams...
Which vain person is going to say all 3?
Is possible, look at simone luder last year! + the relay. Quality textbook legend performance!
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Re: WOC races which would you rather win?
pasta and cheese wrote:I have been off the "scene" for a few years (since 200)...
1,804 years is a long time to be off the "scene"....
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lilywhite wrote:I'm a little surprised that someone who knows so much about orienteering in general doesn't know that the classic distance is the long distance in elite orienteering.
As I said, Excuse my ignorance - why the dig? It would be wrong of me to pretend to know something I don't.
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lilywhite wrote:I'm a little surprised that someone who knows so much about orienteering in general doesn't know that the classic distance is the long distance in elite orienteering.
A handy translation guide for the over 40s
What used to be called long-O is now called "sorry we dont do that anymore"
What used to be called "standard" became "classic" and is now "long-O"
What used to be called SprintO (TM) became "short distance" and is now "middle distance"
What used to be Street-O is now called "short distance"
What used to be called CATI is now called Park-O
"The distance run by M40s at the JK" is now "The distance on M21E" (presumably so us M40s who couldn't qualify when we were 21s can manage it)
What used to be called "the World Champion" is now called "One of six World Champions"
Hope that helps
Graeme
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Test races at SprintScotland (Alloa/Falkirk) and Euromeeting (near Stirling).
Test races at SprintScotland (Alloa/Falkirk) and Euromeeting (near Stirling).
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For those of us old enough to remember when there was only one sort of orienteering then the classic/long is definitely the real thing. Everything else was just messing about. I'm prepared to admit now that the other races are just as worthwhile but they aren't what I spent all my junior and early senior years preparing for. For a younger generation it's a different matter.
Only the winner of the long race at the British gets to be King of the Forest.
Only the winner of the long race at the British gets to be King of the Forest.
- Neil M35 at home
I wasn't having a dig at you Mrs H. I was just surprised that something so fundamentally obvious to an elite, isn't at all obvious to someone who is so heavily involved in orienteering as you are. The problem isn't your ignorance but goes back to the silly terminology in orienteering.
And Graeme and Neil. The sport is changing. Get over it.
And Graeme and Neil. The sport is changing. Get over it.
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lilywhite wrote:And Graeme and Neil. The sport is changing. Get over it.
Get over it
Having been an official at more UK cup races with novel formats than anyone else, I think the phrase you're after is "Thank you for making it happen".
Graeme
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Ah I didn't realise that the long was the classic i thought it was the medium. Just checked last years results for times etc.
If the classic is the long is there such a thing as a real ultra long distance world champs say winning time more than 2 hours?
Seems to me that most people would rather win the long as its viewed as the real test.
Oh and that 200 should be 2000, bit tired this morning.
If the classic is the long is there such a thing as a real ultra long distance world champs say winning time more than 2 hours?
Seems to me that most people would rather win the long as its viewed as the real test.
Oh and that 200 should be 2000, bit tired this morning.
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If the classic is the long is there such a thing as a real ultra long distance world champs say winning time more than 2 hours?
Yes - rumour has it that was what the planner of the Long/Classic was trying to do at the last World Champs!
Seems to me that most people would rather win the long as its viewed as the real test.
Perhaps, but the nature of the Long is changing too - less emphasis on fine-O, more on route choice etc. Personally, some recent Long course have looked rather dull slogs compared to the Medium distance races.
"The distance run by M40s at the JK" is now "The distance on M21E"
Other way round surely I'm sure the M40s are running what the elites used to some years ago: I know from my wife's maps that the W40/45 courses are as long as W21s when she was doing those. (I hope Bishop Wood is fast, 'cos those distances look a bit long to a flobby M45).
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awk wrote:Perhaps, but the nature of the Long is changing too - less emphasis on fine-O, more on route choice etc. Personally, some recent Long course have looked rather dull slogs compared to the Medium distance races.
other way round, surely? the number of controls typically on a m21l course has rocketed over the last 8 maybe years. having said that i ran some event a year ago in sweden with a huge difference in character between the h21e and h21l courses. the Elite had 30 controls in 14k whereas we who ran Long had 16 or 17 in 13k. I assumed this was because the planner was bowing to some sort of directive from above that the Elite course should have loads of controls, whereas with the Long he was free to do what he wanted and place some Classic Long legs.
surely?
lilywhite wrote:The sport is changing.
perhaps, but changing the names of things is not the same thing, and although somebody may perhaps argue that it would be misleading to call today's so-called long course a classic seeing as it has twice as many controls as what could be described as a classic, despite being the same length, i would disagree on the grounds that it causes more confusion that it is worth (look around this thread for example), and also that this is not the reason the name was changed in the first place.
personally, i find translating lång (yes it still exists here), klassisk, kort and sprint into english doesn't come automatically. do all you characters who read this and run proper elite really call the courses what the IOF tells you to? to misquote someone out of context it takes a bigger man to Consign his very expensive and carefully thought up new name to the waste paper basket.
also, while i am mouthing off, district and region are synonyms to my mind.
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Cool ambition,
got a 50 year trianing program in place?
got a 50 year trianing program in place?
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