The juniors were put with the World Cup to make the juniors look good
I wonder which the juniors would have prefered - a may day combined champs at Penhale or "looking good" at the world champs - if they manage to get there
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Of the 5 families in my club I saw today (including my own!), all regular BOC attenders, all were appalled at the prospect of Penhale on that weekend, and said almost certainly wouldn't have gone. All said they should be able to get to the BJOC.
"if they manage to get there": I think you must surely be referring to Penhale?
Andrew
"if they manage to get there": I think you must surely be referring to Penhale?
Andrew
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i don't know all the details about funding, making juniors looking good, whatever, but if you look at the junior forum, you'll see a 99% vote for keeping it together as one event. so why aren't the people who the event is all about being listened to?
and if it is too far to penhale, what are the parents going to do? moreover (hehe big word), isnt the world cup thing on long valley, which is still in the south (ok, not as far away from the north as penhale but still quite a distance!)
penhale, on the bank holiday weekend, with nice weather, would be a great event, and as families will have to go to this if they want to compete, as it is what all the juniors want (ive also just remembered the letters to compass sport...) and as orienteering is not really, if we are totally honest, a large enough sport to really need separated championships why dont we just keep the BOC as the BOC?
and if it is too far to penhale, what are the parents going to do? moreover (hehe big word), isnt the world cup thing on long valley, which is still in the south (ok, not as far away from the north as penhale but still quite a distance!)
penhale, on the bank holiday weekend, with nice weather, would be a great event, and as families will have to go to this if they want to compete, as it is what all the juniors want (ive also just remembered the letters to compass sport...) and as orienteering is not really, if we are totally honest, a large enough sport to really need separated championships why dont we just keep the BOC as the BOC?
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awk wrote:Of the 5 families in my club I saw today (including my own!), all regular BOC attenders, all were appalled at the prospect of Penhale
Well as last year's BOC was in Yorkshire and this year's in Northumberland surely regular BOC attending yorkshire families would expect to have to get of their arses and travel a bit next year!
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I think the point is the combination of location and date (being in exam season). Obviously if you're an orienteer you accept that sometimes you have to travel further than others. However I can almost guarantee that if the junior champs had been left with the main event there would have been moaning about how terrible it was that very few juniors could attend because they were all busy and stressed with whatever one of the government's wonderful forms of assessment applied.
Also, I suspect the junior poll was answered in principle, and no-one on here has ever said that they want the junior champs to be separate as a general rule, so we're all in agreement there. It just happens that next year it makes more logistical sense to have it separate - I think people need to see that next year is the unfortunate exception not the rule.
Also, I suspect the junior poll was answered in principle, and no-one on here has ever said that they want the junior champs to be separate as a general rule, so we're all in agreement there. It just happens that next year it makes more logistical sense to have it separate - I think people need to see that next year is the unfortunate exception not the rule.
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Well as last year's BOC was in Yorkshire and this year's in Northumberland surely regular BOC attending yorkshire families would expect to have to get of their arses and travel a bit next year!
Quite prepared to,and often do but you were the one who said that you weren't prepared to drive 18 hours in 2 weekends. From here, Penhale is almost that in one, on an exam season weekend.
I'm still somewhat mystified why, as soon as BOC was shifted to a non-Bank Holiday weekend, it wasn't moved to a more central area, and Penhale saved for a year in which a bank holiday weekend was available.
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awk wrote: you were the one who said that you weren't prepared to drive 18 hours in 2 weekends.
Not me - I'm new round here
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Penhale or not ?
It looks as though 2005 is a problem whatever happens.
If the BOC and BJOC are separate then many families faced with long distance travel will only go to one, and given that most parents will give priority to their children Penhale is going to be woefully short of competitors. Will it even be worth their while putting on Junior classes in the relays ?
If the BOC and BJOC are together at Penhale in the middle of May then some Juniors will miss out, but at least it will be the single Championships everyone wants and no-one will be faced with the choice of which event to attend.
Personally I think BOF have got me over a barrel here. I disapprove not so much of what they have done, but the totally underhand way they have done it. Even in the latest Focus the position isn't explained, yet the issues of sponsorship must have been known even at last year's AGM.
But in what way can I protest ? Not going to BJOC is hardly fair on my children. Going to both is going to cost me a lot of money. BOF may be gaining from the BJOC sponsorship, but it is at the expense of their members in terms of increased travel and accommodation costs.
Given the choice, I think BOF should do what the majority of its members seem to want. Stage the Junior Championships at Penhale with everyone else and just accept the financial consequences.
If the BOC and BJOC are separate then many families faced with long distance travel will only go to one, and given that most parents will give priority to their children Penhale is going to be woefully short of competitors. Will it even be worth their while putting on Junior classes in the relays ?
If the BOC and BJOC are together at Penhale in the middle of May then some Juniors will miss out, but at least it will be the single Championships everyone wants and no-one will be faced with the choice of which event to attend.
Personally I think BOF have got me over a barrel here. I disapprove not so much of what they have done, but the totally underhand way they have done it. Even in the latest Focus the position isn't explained, yet the issues of sponsorship must have been known even at last year's AGM.
But in what way can I protest ? Not going to BJOC is hardly fair on my children. Going to both is going to cost me a lot of money. BOF may be gaining from the BJOC sponsorship, but it is at the expense of their members in terms of increased travel and accommodation costs.
Given the choice, I think BOF should do what the majority of its members seem to want. Stage the Junior Championships at Penhale with everyone else and just accept the financial consequences.
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Maybe slightly off topic but since the BEOC has been separate I feel the main BOC has been devalued. Having the best juniors running elsewhere for whatever reason surely compounds the situation? As a relatively elite junior myself some 15 or so years ago I fully supported talk of a "breakaway" elite race so it could always be TD5 but now as a slightly overweight M21 with no hope or desire of running with the elites I now run in a British Championships where the British Champion for my age group isn't even decided! OK I have no chance of winning the long or probably even the short but it just doesn't feel like the British any more. I'd happily always have the British champs for everybody in technical areas - even if that involve me driving a long way every year.
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So where are the BJOC relays going to be held. If it's Penhale then it's a joke. Splitting the BJOC champs to two destinations, do people want to destroy our sport. Some people only think about money.
Awk, I'm sure that you will respond with some long boring reply but were you one of the people who decided on this rediculous situation where our champs have been sacrificed for the World Cup Race; if you were I should keep your mouth shut as this has done huge damage to the BOC which will have repurcushions for years to come. I think Penhale could be a disaster as far as numbers are concerned and I wonder how many regions will have huge reservations about holding the champs in future.
I wonder if the organisers of BOC at Penhale will withold some or all monies that should go to BOF if numbers are low, I would certainly take this line if I was co-ordinating the event as the event was meant to be on the Bankholiday weekend and was meant to be a proper champs.
The piised off orienteer.
Awk, I'm sure that you will respond with some long boring reply but were you one of the people who decided on this rediculous situation where our champs have been sacrificed for the World Cup Race; if you were I should keep your mouth shut as this has done huge damage to the BOC which will have repurcushions for years to come. I think Penhale could be a disaster as far as numbers are concerned and I wonder how many regions will have huge reservations about holding the champs in future.
I wonder if the organisers of BOC at Penhale will withold some or all monies that should go to BOF if numbers are low, I would certainly take this line if I was co-ordinating the event as the event was meant to be on the Bankholiday weekend and was meant to be a proper champs.
The piised off orienteer.
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Do you know, I'm sure i've read somewhere that the elite championship is at Penahle with the rest of us, how ironic to get that back and loose the juniors - so why don't they just lump everthing together at the bank holiday weekend at the world champs and save Penhale until we can all enjoy it - anything to get out of this terrible and ill thought out mess
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And there Mrs H., we are, I think, in agreement.
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No!
Andrew
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Awk, I'm sure that you will respond with some long boring reply but were you one of the people who decided on this rediculous situation where our champs have been sacrificed for the World Cup Race
No!
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I'm fairly certain that BOF Council are the people who would have had to make the final decision to host the World Cup on that date. I don't know the route by which that would have gone to Council.
Unusually for a sport, you have several direct routes to Council. Your best route is via one of (a) your association (whose rep voices the association view on Council), (b) by one of the 4 councillors who are elected to represent members' views, (c) via the chairman. I'm fairly certain the decision went through unopposed - so all the association committees will also have agreed to this - so your club rep on the association will also be someone worth talking to.
In danger of being "long and boring" here, but I will continue to add that there are 2 councillor places vacant at the next AGM.
Andrew
Unusually for a sport, you have several direct routes to Council. Your best route is via one of (a) your association (whose rep voices the association view on Council), (b) by one of the 4 councillors who are elected to represent members' views, (c) via the chairman. I'm fairly certain the decision went through unopposed - so all the association committees will also have agreed to this - so your club rep on the association will also be someone worth talking to.
In danger of being "long and boring" here, but I will continue to add that there are 2 councillor places vacant at the next AGM.
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