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well if you've been training for the selection races, its a bit of a waste if you dont go. why should those who put orienteering above education be at an advantage? its not entirely fair to force juniors to chooose like that.
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hehe cheers, who are you btw?
Something is finally going right for me after ages.
tho im not running 20 this weekend. back down to 18. i'd considered 20 tho but need the fcc points after some crud results early season.
on the subject of JBOC, I see no point.
1) keep it with BOC
2) make it at a time of year, respecting exams
3) Make it a selection race or fcc final or people won't care
Something is finally going right for me after ages.
tho im not running 20 this weekend. back down to 18. i'd considered 20 tho but need the fcc points after some crud results early season.
on the subject of JBOC, I see no point.
1) keep it with BOC
2) make it at a time of year, respecting exams
3) Make it a selection race or fcc final or people won't care
It's all about next year
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Hi Drew
I'd totally agree. From 2006 that's how it will be (phew). In 2005, as it stands, you'll get 2 out of 3 (better than 1 out of 3), and that was part of the point behind the WC proposal. Of course, if BOC is shifted to a viable date pre-May weekend, you might get 3 out of 3.
Problem holding FCC on May Bank weekend with BOC: how do you sort out the timetable, given people here suggesting relays should be on Sunday (no Scottish Bank Holiday), which means Classic on Saturday. Medium distance race?
I'd totally agree. From 2006 that's how it will be (phew). In 2005, as it stands, you'll get 2 out of 3 (better than 1 out of 3), and that was part of the point behind the WC proposal. Of course, if BOC is shifted to a viable date pre-May weekend, you might get 3 out of 3.
Problem holding FCC on May Bank weekend with BOC: how do you sort out the timetable, given people here suggesting relays should be on Sunday (no Scottish Bank Holiday), which means Classic on Saturday. Medium distance race?
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Seems it is a bit of a fuss....
BJOC is going outside BOC for a one off in 2005... it's happening & won't change.
2006 onwards it back to a joined up game of BOC... I know why not choose the same weekend as Scotlands International against Ukraine in Kiev & then see who goes where
BJOC is going outside BOC for a one off in 2005... it's happening & won't change.
2006 onwards it back to a joined up game of BOC... I know why not choose the same weekend as Scotlands International against Ukraine in Kiev & then see who goes where
Go orienteering in Lithuania......... best in the world:)
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robin's announcement doesnt clear to many things up.
What i took from it:
We need to have JBOC becuase it lets us pay for WC.
I didn't take his announcement to be concise. Sounded like a politician!
why not make it both JBOC and FCC final then.
What i took from it:
We need to have JBOC becuase it lets us pay for WC.
I didn't take his announcement to be concise. Sounded like a politician!
why not make it both JBOC and FCC final then.
It's all about next year
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I think that the reason it's made such an impact here is that most other countries hold their national championships in the autumn (and quite a few don't have them for anybody other than the 18/20/21 age groups?). May be completely mistaken though. Plus the fact that British orienteers liketo have a fuss about something
The really good thing to my mind is the fact that the need to keep the BOC on the one date has been recognised, something that has been a major issue for years (and what caused the BJOC/BOC split idea in the first place). Peter Guillaume may have already had that in hand, but I get the impression that it's only been the fuss that has really got this in place.
The really good thing to my mind is the fact that the need to keep the BOC on the one date has been recognised, something that has been a major issue for years (and what caused the BJOC/BOC split idea in the first place). Peter Guillaume may have already had that in hand, but I get the impression that it's only been the fuss that has really got this in place.
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awk wrote:Plus the fact that British orienteers liketo have a fuss about something
but I get the impression that it's only been the fuss that has really got this in place.
Make your mind up first of all you sound like the fuss is a bad thing then it's good - what would you prefer - even more apathy
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heh, we should arrange instead of Celebrity deathmatch, Orienteering deathmatch.
Weapons of choice:
Mrs H - Si card
Awk - the bof rule book
Anyways - something should be finalised and announced instead of constant speculation. - or even if it had been finaliesd. people should know about it.
Weapons of choice:
Mrs H - Si card
Awk - the bof rule book
Anyways - something should be finalised and announced instead of constant speculation. - or even if it had been finaliesd. people should know about it.
It's all about next year
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robin's announcement doesnt clear to many things up.
What i took from it: We need to have JBOC becuase it lets us pay for WC.
I didn't take his announcement to be concise. Sounded like a politician!
why not make it both JBOC and FCC final then.
No - Robin doesn't say that. He says that if BJOC is taken out of the WC week and either remerged with BOC or put on at another time, then something else will need to take its place. An important difference. BOF don't need BJOC to help pay for WC, but do need a junior development event. However, at this late stage, trying to put together others would be difficult (most of those Chris and I discussed would have needed a substantial lead-in time).
Of course he's a politician - that's part of his job. Any more 'concise' and his explanation would then be criticised for not being sufficiently full.
As to FCC/BJOC combined. May well be in the pipeline, but FCC final is usually decided once the fixtures list is know!
Andrew
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Make your mind up first of all you sound like the fuss is a bad thing then it's good - what would you prefer - even more apathy
If I was so bothered about the fuss, would I have started this thread?
As I said in that first post, and its follow-up, I've argued throughout that the solution is to prioritise junior needs on dates (e.g. put BOC on May Day weekend), and that the BJOC separation was merely a halfway house because wasn't getting any movement on that issue.
I've been making a fuss about this and a lot more besides on junior issues probably longer than you've been orienteering Mrs H., so I'm one of the the last people to suggest wants more apathy!
What does concern me is the way in which so many negative motives and reasons get ascribed to those working in BOF, and the way in which their words appear to get twisted to suit particular lines of argument. There's an awful lot of BOF-bashing goes on in the sport - but not an awful lot of doing something about it (maybe because everybody knows that as soon as they put their head above the parapet, they are the ones who will get criticised).
To that end, I think the nopesport proposals to get stuck in at the AGM and beyond are great: now there's a positive move.
I have had more than my share of disagreements with individuals in the BOF structure over how things should be done, but I've never found anybody, particularly amongst the professional staff, who wasn't trying to do the best by the Federation and its members, in particular juniors.
Sorry fo the length. I'll t ry to do shorter next time.
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BOF itself has admitted it has a chronic communication problem - and It was I who said that I thought Robin was being honest and open in his statement - it seems foolish in the light of this acknowledged communication problem to ignore the (conveniently titled non-binding) straw poll at the last annual meeting which was overwhelmingly against a separate BJOC and go ahead with the plan - which was discussed at the January council meeting the minutes of which have yet to be published - it hardly inspires confidence that they are listening to us - and apart from the straw poll I know that every club in the West Midlands region were against the proposal and wrote to BOF opposing it - I suspect they were not the only ones One had supposed we were governed in a democratic way
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I know that every club in the West Midlands region were against the proposal and wrote to BOF opposing it - I suspect they were not the only ones One had supposed we were governed in a democratic way
So the WMOA rep knows which way to vote at the next Council meeting.
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