Mrs H wrote: I would have been embarrassed to admit to competing on both days at the white rose where many of my club colleagues were working so hard that they never got a run - and not have helped in some capacity!
Would Mrs H be like the rest of the club members in the past when it came to Monday afternoon and it was time to clear up? If she were, then she too would be packing up and off home whilst the handful of remaining officials dismantle and clear up. But i suppose it is different now?!
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yt1 wrote:[iaccommodate this. After all, the start time was changed at the start, by the friendly officials. It was only later that it was reversed, manually, not because of the rule, but because of revenge, or spite or call it what you will.
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Seems to me you don't get on with the present 'management' of EBOR and as someoneelse has already mentioned this is an internal dispute. If the club & you don't get on well then you can eith put up & shut up or go off & join another club where I'm sure your undoubted experience & helpfulness would be more than welcome.
Just being Chairman of a Club doesn't put Nev Myers above the organisers... it wasn't the organisers that caused your delay - it was yourself for not having the ability to get out of a conversation & reching the start in time. Personal responsibility. If a WOC runner missed thier start because they were having a conversation with the IOF head honcho they'd be laughed out of court:)
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harry wrote:how does being out on your own affect it?
Fairly marginal I know but you do get more little feeds of exact control locations while in a busy forest. E.g. navigating accuaretly to within 10m then see somebody obviously coming out of the control - maybe saved a couple of seconds in thicker forest. With 1:15,000 map the feature size is such (Graeme you listening?) that there's potential around some sites for a small waste of time. You can only master orienteering as good as the map is. It's not about following it's about common controls with other courses.
More important is the undergrowth and mud. If we always ran in runnable forests in dry weather then it doesn't matter!
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Things you know nothing about
More club members, (at this event; of this club and others), would be pleased and willing to help if they got a pleasant attitude from certain other members, and not form their own little group, forming thier own inaccurate opinions, and making various false accusations based on things they know nothing about, and which are none of their business; and without the guts to approach an individual.
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Re: She doesnt know what goes on behind the scenes
yt1 wrote:Would Mrs H be like the rest of the club members in the past when it came to Monday afternoon and it was time to clear up? If she were, then she too would be packing up and off home whilst the handful of remaining officials dismantle and clear up. But i suppose it is different now?!
Well I've never managed to scarper off early at a HOC event yet! seem to recall we were some of the last on the scene at the Jk and SinS too - but then there was a lot of work to be done and fortunately we had many happy willing helpers (not just from HOC either)which actually made it a lot of fun.
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yt1 wrote:Yes, this is all well and good, but it wasnt a csae of just standing and talking - at the chairmans request, we discussed various matters of importance - it was therefore his (who is above the organiser) fault i was late, and BOF rules state that if it is the fault of the oganiser thenthe start time WILL be changed.
Why not take responsibility for your own life rather than trying to blame somebody else for your actions? It takes two to make a discussion, and you were one of them. Nor is the club chairman 'above' the organiser at any event.
BTW I was late for my start at the Six Day on Day 5, was told that late starters could have a punching start and that I wouldn't be penalised. Unfortunately, time hasn't been corrected. However, it was my responsibility to get to the start line on time, and I didn't. Tough.
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gross2006 wrote: If a WOC runner missed thier start because they were having a conversation with the IOF head honcho they'd be laughed out of court:)
But this isn't a court - neither was the event a World Championship event - but a low key, friendly level 3 event - with an informal, friendly relaxed atmosphere - or it used to have, and should have.
In any case - It was both the Organisers and Chairmans fault that the original start time was missed. If it were the WOC then start times could not be changed anyway - but in this case they could have been and were. Just as those with so-called unbalanced start times should not have been non-competitive any more than the competitors know to hve been out-of-bounds and those with significant prior knowledge of the area.
But this isn't a court - neither was the event a World Championship event - but a low key, friendly level 3 event - with an informal, friendly relaxed atmosphere - or it used to have, and should have.
In any case - It was both the Organisers and Chairmans fault that the original start time was missed. If it were the WOC then start times could not be changed anyway - but in this case they could have been and were. Just as those with so-called unbalanced start times should not have been non-competitive any more than the competitors know to hve been out-of-bounds and those with significant prior knowledge of the area.
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awk wrote: 'was told that late starters could have a punching start and that I wouldn't be penalised. Unfortunately, time hasn't been corrected. However, it was my responsibility to get to the start line on time, and I didn't. '
Then make sure you get it changed, as is your right.
Dont let those who think they have authority bully you.
Then make sure you get it changed, as is your right.
Dont let those who think they have authority bully you.
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more to the point, did anyone piss on the generator in the beer tent this year?
and was there a pants relay?
and was there a pants relay?
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brooner wrote: it really isn't of too much interest to the rest of the orienteering community.
You are joking arn't you Brooner - this is better than Big Brother
but as this thread was set up by yt1 who turns out to be at least one of the griping guests - i suppose we have all been rather set up havn't we?
(I said it was like big Brother)
As yt1 is the person bandying around terms like spiteful and vindictive - i'm not sure he is in a position to warn others against being bullied. ( ha ha ha AWK being bullied, ha ha ha )
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G wrote:its just people following rules just for the sake of it!
bloody red tape eh, stops people starting when they should. I say stick to the green, blue or white tape in future, or at a push even just the classic red & white.
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yt1 wrote:awk wrote: 'was told that late starters could have a punching start and that I wouldn't be penalised. Unfortunately, time hasn't been corrected. However, it was my responsibility to get to the start line on time, and I didn't. '
Then make sure you get it changed, as is your right.
Dont let those who think they have authority bully you.
At the 6 Days late starts were asked the reason for missing thier original start time. This listing was then sent down to the controller who considered each late start. If it was a genuine reason the late start was accepted & start times altered... if it was a reason that could've been avoided then the late start was not allowed & the original start time stood. Don't know the details of awk's lateness but if it was HIS fault then tough cookies:)
As controler of day 6 if I'd been given a reason for a late start that was 'I'd been talking to the club chairman about important things and wasn't strong enough to say... excuse me I've got to go & run' then I'm afraid there is no way you'd have been allowed to have your late start... however if it was ' I'm late because I was doing something useful to help the organiser' then I'd take a flexible option and say..ok.. late start allowed
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