When have you officially finished a course?
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Thanks all for the replies. So as there are no rules governing when you have actually finished a course at present and if you are allowed to re-enter the competition area etc what is the next step. How do I raise this with BOF to get some ruling in the Rules and Guidelines. An email to the Technical Committee ?? raising the issue.
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freaky_phil - orange
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freaky_phil wrote:Thanks all for the replies. So as there are no rules governing when you have actually finished a course at present and if you are allowed to re-enter the competition area
No - I think a lot of people have confirmed that there are rules (BOF rules and IOF rules). The issue is that:
(a) they are not always enforced (e.g. people at the Scottish going back to the last control), and
(b) even at World Champs, it's possible to find circumstances in which to make a successful protest, having been disqualified by the Rule!
Good luck with your approach to Technical Committee, but personally I see no reason to change the rules on this issue, or the way events are presently run.
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[quote="Spookster"][quote="freaky_phil"]
No - I think a lot of people have confirmed that there are rules (BOF rules and IOF rules).
I read thru the BOF Rules and Guidelines document before posting the topic and cannot find any rules or guidelines that cover this issue. There is nothing that tells us (orienteers) and event officials what procedure they should follow as in my Scottish 6 day example.
If Spookster can point me in the right direction in the BOF Rules and Guidelines book I would be grateful. But at present I see that an orienteer can re-enter a competition area and therefore cause havoc in the "run in" lane without any recourse if he/she is informed they have mis-punched at the download. Hence my question about the Technical Committee.
No - I think a lot of people have confirmed that there are rules (BOF rules and IOF rules).
I read thru the BOF Rules and Guidelines document before posting the topic and cannot find any rules or guidelines that cover this issue. There is nothing that tells us (orienteers) and event officials what procedure they should follow as in my Scottish 6 day example.
If Spookster can point me in the right direction in the BOF Rules and Guidelines book I would be grateful. But at present I see that an orienteer can re-enter a competition area and therefore cause havoc in the "run in" lane without any recourse if he/she is informed they have mis-punched at the download. Hence my question about the Technical Committee.
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freaky_phil - orange
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freaky_phil wrote:But at present I see that an orienteer can re-enter a competition area and therefore cause havoc in the "run in" lane without any recourse if he/she is informed they have mis-punched at the download. Hence my question about the Technical Committee.
BOF Rule 7.2.14
Competitors who have finished are not entitled to re-enter the competition area.
The above is quoted from the document 'BOF Rules 2003' available here
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Simon - brown
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Simon wrote:BOF Rule 7.2.14
Competitors who have finished are not entitled to re-enter the competition area.
The above is quoted from the document 'BOF Rules 2003' available here
And the best definition of the meaning of "finished" seems to be BOF Rule 8.5.2, quoted from the same source:
The finishing time shall be measured when the competitor's chest crosses the finishing line or when the competitor punches at the finish point.
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why is it called finish-line?! ....because your race is finished..you are not allowed to go back and punsh anything again.
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If you have crossed the finish line that is the end of your race surely.
"In the spirit of fairness"
What is that about, fair on who ?
Fair on the people who got it right and completed the course properly ?
You have one opportunity to do the course and get it right.
By crossing the finishing line you are declaring - "thats me, I've done it"
If someone tells you you haven't then tough, you don't get a second chance.
"In the spirit of fairness"
What is that about, fair on who ?
Fair on the people who got it right and completed the course properly ?
You have one opportunity to do the course and get it right.
By crossing the finishing line you are declaring - "thats me, I've done it"
If someone tells you you haven't then tough, you don't get a second chance.
If you could run forever ......
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Kitch didn't write wrote:If you have punched a control that is the end of your leg surely.
"In the spirit of fairness"
What is that about, fair on who ?
Fair on the people who got it right and completed the course properly ?
You have one opportunity to do the leg and get it right.
By punching you are declaring - "thats me, I've done it"
On any other occasion, if you punch and then realise you haven't visited the previous control, you can go back and get it. I don't see that its obvious why the finish control should be any different.
And getting advice from others is also illegal - but its not punished in other situations (e.g. asking where you are).
But I do agree that when people start appealing to "fairness" its usually because they've no rational argument to defend their personal preference.
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BOF Rules state :
The finishing time shall be measured when the competitor's chest crosses the finishing line or when the competitor punches at the finish point.
But at the WOC races in Surrey I saw many runners breaking the finish beam (invisible beam that went across the finish line to record the competitors finish time) with their hands out-streached, therefore saving 1 maybe 2 secs until their chest crossed the line. Nobody said anything, infact it seemed to be common practise by the competitors? Someone then went up to them and got them to punch a finish unit. What's all that about then?
The finishing time shall be measured when the competitor's chest crosses the finishing line or when the competitor punches at the finish point.
But at the WOC races in Surrey I saw many runners breaking the finish beam (invisible beam that went across the finish line to record the competitors finish time) with their hands out-streached, therefore saving 1 maybe 2 secs until their chest crossed the line. Nobody said anything, infact it seemed to be common practise by the competitors? Someone then went up to them and got them to punch a finish unit. What's all that about then?
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freaky_phil wrote:BOF Rules state :
The finishing time shall be measured when the competitor's chest crosses the finishing line or when the competitor punches at the finish point.
But at the WOC races in Surrey I saw many runners breaking the finish beam (invisible beam that went across the finish line to record the competitors finish time) with their hands out-streached, therefore saving 1 maybe 2 secs until their chest crossed the line. Nobody said anything, infact it seemed to be common practise by the competitors? Someone then went up to them and got them to punch a finish unit. What's all that about then?
The World Cup Races are run under IOF rules not BOF rules and when a light beam is being used these I understand adjudge a competitor to have finished when they first break the beam with part of their body.
In terms of time saving if you assume that an elite male orienteer (and many females) on a run in is probably covering around 6m per sec and you would be lucky to reach anymore than a metre in front of yourself, then the amount of time saved will actually amount to no more than 0.2 secs (i.e. to save a second you need to have arms 6m long). Hardly worth worrying about, especially when all times are rounded down to the nearest second, unless a starting gate is used, which it wasn't in Surrey.
The punch taken after the line was to enable the computer to correlate the light beam reading with an athlete and to provide a finish unit reading on the SI card. The computer then used the light beam time to correct the finish time read from the SI card in the download tent.
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Fair enough the event was under IOF rules so the BOF rule did not apply, but still funny seeing people finishing like drowning seagulls flapping their arms at the finish beam.
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