>>>> My biggest complaint relates to the reinstatement of runners who punched the wrong control - even if it was in the right place.
Anyone who punched the control in the middle of the circle punched the correct control. The sport is about map reading - not checking numbers on the back of the map.
The competitors who should be disqualified are those who punched the control at the other site, even if it did have the right number on it.
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The sport is about running to the right control in the right place, and checking the codes is part of thatAnonymous wrote:>>>> My biggest complaint relates to the reinstatement of runners who punched the wrong control - even if it was in the right place.
Anyone who punched the control in the middle of the circle punched the correct control. The sport is about map reading - not checking numbers on the back of the map.
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rob f - yellow
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I didn't go to WM relays, but I agree with the guest, if you navigate to your feature and there is a control their you punch it. If later it turns out that controls were misplaces you should defintely be misplaced
Rob, your right that orienteering is running to the right controlin the right place, but its not about having to search around due to a placement error.
Last weekend at the SOL a control was put in a wrong re-entrant, some people searched and found it (some flukey gits found it straight away coz they made a mistake) but Big Jon just looked aroung for a second, made sure he was in the right place, and then just continued with the course because he knew he was right.
Our sport isn't about orienteering pefectly, expertley executing all the correct techniques, spiking the control, then being told that it wasnt the one, that had been put somewhere else.
Rob, your right that orienteering is running to the right controlin the right place, but its not about having to search around due to a placement error.
Last weekend at the SOL a control was put in a wrong re-entrant, some people searched and found it (some flukey gits found it straight away coz they made a mistake) but Big Jon just looked aroung for a second, made sure he was in the right place, and then just continued with the course because he knew he was right.
Our sport isn't about orienteering pefectly, expertley executing all the correct techniques, spiking the control, then being told that it wasnt the one, that had been put somewhere else.
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mharky - team nopesport
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Control Codes
So why do we have control codes? According to Mharky as long as there is a control on the appropriate feature it doesn't matter what the number is..... Make life easier for planners and controllers.
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Ancient Grouse - off string
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Thats funny, i don't remeber saying that. I thought I said if you navigate to the feature marked on the map and descriptions and there is a control there I would punch it, likewise if i was in the right place and there was no control, I would conitue. Because it means that there has beeb a mistake which can be sorted out afterwards.
One shouldn't really have to check codes as controls cant be within 60m on the same feature, you have to be pretty wrong to get to a similar but wrong control
One shouldn't really have to check codes as controls cant be within 60m on the same feature, you have to be pretty wrong to get to a similar but wrong control
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mharky - team nopesport
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i guess for elites theyre not really necessary,as they always know where they are (in theory!) but for less experienced peaple it stops them finding any control and thinking its theirs and then wondering why map doesnt match ground...
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m4rk - yellow
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Stop whinging about the nettles. I got stung more than anyone; it was painful, but nothing to whine so much about. Slept badly for next couple of nights, but so what. There's no way nettle stings would make u 'throw up twice' in the night. Rubbish! And in relays, always check codes, no matter how confident u are that you're in the right place. To those who mispunched...schoolboy error?!!
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rahzel wrote:Stop whinging about the nettles. I got stung more than anyone; it was painful,
Not as painful as some vegetation inflicted wounds I have suffered at Kingsbury in the past... Nasty place in summer... And then there are the mozzies.
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ryeland of doom - blue
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Sorry, rahzel, I wasn't going to post again - enough has been said about the event already and starting all over again isn't going to help anyone, but couldn't help responding to your post.
I didn't see what state you finished up in, so I can only go off my own experience (which wasn't too bad seeing as I was on last leg) and that of other club members. You may not have found them that painful, but others did - seeing juniors in tears around their course and after they finish cannot be described as
I don't know whether or not you have children, but would you have happily sent them into 6 foot high nettles for 4km and said "stop whinging"?
I would also dispute what you say about nettles not making you throw up. I am only a paediatrician so it's not exactly my field of expertise, but believe that as part of the histamine reaction in response to an allergen (nettle included) vomiting can be induced. Vomiting can also be a side effect of the anti-histamines taken to reduce the effect of the stings.
Ultimately the biggest losers from controls in the wrong place were not those who made the "schoolboy errors" and were disqualified for punching the incorrect control (who were reinstated and had not necessarily lost time), but those who checked codes and spent some time searching for the correct control code.
I didn't see what state you finished up in, so I can only go off my own experience (which wasn't too bad seeing as I was on last leg) and that of other club members. You may not have found them that painful, but others did - seeing juniors in tears around their course and after they finish cannot be described as
"nothing to whine so much about"
I don't know whether or not you have children, but would you have happily sent them into 6 foot high nettles for 4km and said "stop whinging"?
I would also dispute what you say about nettles not making you throw up. I am only a paediatrician so it's not exactly my field of expertise, but believe that as part of the histamine reaction in response to an allergen (nettle included) vomiting can be induced. Vomiting can also be a side effect of the anti-histamines taken to reduce the effect of the stings.
Ultimately the biggest losers from controls in the wrong place were not those who made the "schoolboy errors" and were disqualified for punching the incorrect control (who were reinstated and had not necessarily lost time), but those who checked codes and spent some time searching for the correct control code.
Make the most of life - you're a long time dead.
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and i was one of them! after checking codes, wasted many a minute looking for control even though was in right place. but I just felt that...well it's not the biggest relay event, i'm not gonna slate the organisers for a misplaced control. i assume it affected everyone in the same way, more or less. and as for my nettle comments, fair enough that it was a bit much for the really junior orienteers. But anyone, say, 13+ should be able to cope with them in my opinion. They had been flattened in the right places, if you looked hard enough. And arent orienteers (even juniors), relatively hardened to such elements? i seldom finish an event without my legs cut-up, scratched, stung in some way. it's not ideal, but i guess it's unavoidable given the nature of the terrain we use. the WM relays was just an extreme example!
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rahzel wrote: They had been flattened in the right places, if you looked hard enough.
So, the nettles had been flattened in the right places, but the controls were in the wrong place. Therefore you would have to battle through unflattened nettles to find your correct control. Unless of course, the nettles had been flattened in the wrong place to coincide with the misplaced controls in which case once the controls had been resited correctly the flattened nettles did not coincide with the control site.
Is the art of the sport really to run into the circle and then look hard for an alleged flattened path of nettles to lead you to the kite. I think not.
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I must say I'm still rather surprised at the deafening silence coming from the OD webpage on the matter - apart from a rather ungrammatical sentence on the EMIT results page there is nothing about the re-instatements and no reason given for why it was done - did someone lodge an official complaint? don't think it can have been Wrekin who were re-instated at the Ad Hoc winners - perhaps it was the WCH veteran women who took the trophy from OD - they're a very competative lot!
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OD web site etc.
Last I heard the OD web 'guru' was away in the far east on business and he is prob the only person who can update the site!
It wasn't round the misplaced control that the nettles were bad. (That was on all the later controls!!)
It wasn't round the misplaced control that the nettles were bad. (That was on all the later controls!!)
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