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How come two of the three adverts at the side of nopesport are promoting non-orienteering events.... adventure races of some kind? I'm not against adventure racing but what I am against is losing orienteers to other activities.... do these other sports etc promote orienteering on thier sites???
- gross2006
The adverts on our site are paid for, and if any orienteering events or services would like any information on this then feel free to contact me: brooner@nopesport.com. Obviously we'd prefer to be advertising orienteering events & services but as far as I know we've had no one come and ask us about them aside from our few previous advertisers.
The rat race organisation have been keen to help to promote orienteering, at Edinburgh there will be a orienteering stall in the event village (which nopesport will probably be assisting on) - bof were meant to be getting involved this year but I'm not sure if that will be happening as it was Sophie who was involved in the negotiations. They've also aired our DVD footage at other adventure races around the country for us.
The open adventure site has links to both BOF and the NE & NW association websites.
The rat race organisation have been keen to help to promote orienteering, at Edinburgh there will be a orienteering stall in the event village (which nopesport will probably be assisting on) - bof were meant to be getting involved this year but I'm not sure if that will be happening as it was Sophie who was involved in the negotiations. They've also aired our DVD footage at other adventure races around the country for us.
The open adventure site has links to both BOF and the NE & NW association websites.
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Out of nosiness - how does the income fom the google ads work? Are you paid just to have them or only when someone clicks through?
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Really don't think this is an issue. Many people take part in more than one sport. If an orienteer chooses to go adventure racing I’m certain they will also continue orienteering. On a triathlon web site I saw a thread asking which other sports people do. These guys are doing 3 sports already and nearly everyone was doing something else as well, including me. I regularly go along to local orienteering events.
The problem is only a small number of people in England do any sport at all (ignoring football). Encouraging people to do any sort of sport would improve numbers in orienteering. Active people are much more likely to try other sports.
The problem is only a small number of people in England do any sport at all (ignoring football). Encouraging people to do any sort of sport would improve numbers in orienteering. Active people are much more likely to try other sports.
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Surly its good orienteers branching out to other sports as it can help advertise our sport. When you perform well people ask about your background, and when they hear that your an orienteer then they maybe tempted to give it a go to see whether it compliments their first sport. I think to promote orienteering, branching out into other sports can only be a good thing, spreeding a positive image of us as sportmen / women, cause so many people think our sport is liturally a walk in the park.
So go to other sporting events, perform well and show people that orienteers are real athletes and these may encurage them to try it.
So go to other sporting events, perform well and show people that orienteers are real athletes and these may encurage them to try it.
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Anonymous wrote:The problem is only a small number of people in England do any sport at all (ignoring football). Encouraging people to do any sort of sport would improve numbers in orienteering.
I have definitely noticed that the local road running club, the fell runners, and generally people out on bikes and jogging, are increasing in numbers. There are far more than in previous recent years. The government and media message is getting through!! So many local races are being oversubscribed!
We have the opportunity to agressively promote our sport at grass roots level and sell it to all these potentially active people. We will get a few taking it up without having to advertise etc, so we must be careful not to think our message is getting through just because we get a few new members. Clubs who manage a 20% increase ARE doing the right thing.
Definitely time to get on the bandwagon
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Schnitzy wrote:Surly its good orienteers branching out to other sports as it can help advertise our sport.
Agree 100% with above. What I do question is whether orienteering organisations should be actively promoting non orienteering events. It's happening more & more.
Nothing wrong with individuals going out to show other sports how good they are.....
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gross2006 wrote:What I do question is whether orienteering organisations should be actively promoting non orienteering events. It's happening more & more.
So take it this is perhaps aimed at bof et al rather than us?
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It's hard to believe that we would haemorrhage members through hosting adverts for other sports.
If the sport is not interesting and accessible enough to retain them then they would leave anyway.
If the sport is not interesting and accessible enough to retain them then they would leave anyway.
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you can't help but feel that if some enterprising event organiser took out an advert on sleepmonsters.co.uk or something that there wouldn't be an outcry from the o public about the wasting of their entry fees on unneccessary promotion....
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Although it may be giving orienteers a chance to do something which is also for adventure lovers like ourselves, if orienteering is being used to advertise a non-orienteering activity then it should probably be used with care, as too much coverage may possibly take the emphasis that the orienteering media has onto other similar adventure activities.
However, advertising orienteering from adventure races is not a problem.
Why the difference, you ask?
Adventure races require a certain amount of orienteer skill, but not enough to call it 'orienteering', just skill for endurance/navigation/speed etc. Orienteering can be seen as a sport where all these aspects are used. Adventure racing demands these, and more. Therefore, the transition from adventure racing to orienteering is not one in which major new skills need be learnt.
However, the reverse transition is one in which new skills may need to be learnt, for example endurance which may not have been needed earlier. Orienteers may find the idea of adventure racing interesting but may when they get to do it, not really for them, which is why it shouldnt be advertised too much.
Adventure racing doesnt require too much 'orienteering' skill, whereas for another variant such as bike-o, navigating in an orienteering environment is critical.
At the other end of the spectrum, orienteers may try it to find that they prefer it more than orienteering. Do we want that?
Also, what is the point in highly advertising adventure racing if those who are interested in it are more likely to have found orienteering from it?
However, advertising orienteering from adventure races is not a problem.
Why the difference, you ask?
Adventure races require a certain amount of orienteer skill, but not enough to call it 'orienteering', just skill for endurance/navigation/speed etc. Orienteering can be seen as a sport where all these aspects are used. Adventure racing demands these, and more. Therefore, the transition from adventure racing to orienteering is not one in which major new skills need be learnt.
However, the reverse transition is one in which new skills may need to be learnt, for example endurance which may not have been needed earlier. Orienteers may find the idea of adventure racing interesting but may when they get to do it, not really for them, which is why it shouldnt be advertised too much.
Adventure racing doesnt require too much 'orienteering' skill, whereas for another variant such as bike-o, navigating in an orienteering environment is critical.
At the other end of the spectrum, orienteers may try it to find that they prefer it more than orienteering. Do we want that?
Also, what is the point in highly advertising adventure racing if those who are interested in it are more likely to have found orienteering from it?
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Peter B wrote:Although it may be giving orienteers a chance to do something which is also for adventure lovers like ourselves, if orienteering is being used to advertise a non-orienteering activity then it should probably be used with care, as too much coverage may possibly take the emphasis that the orienteering media has onto other similar adventure activities.
Orienteering Media: Well, for the uk that would be us, compasssport & orienteering today. I very much doubt any are likely to start covering any more adventure races or "similar adventure activities" than we already do
Peter B wrote:Adventure races require a certain amount of orienteer skill, but not enough to call it 'orienteering', just skill for endurance/navigation/speed etc. Orienteering can be seen as a sport where all these aspects are used. Adventure racing demands these, and more. Therefore, the transition from adventure racing to orienteering is not one in which major new skills need be learnt.
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Adventure racing doesnt require too much 'orienteering' skill, whereas for another variant such as bike-o, navigating in an orienteering environment is critical.
What are you on about??? what definition of orienteering are you trying to use in this argument? Adventure racing includes bike-o as well as foot-o and there are probably races which have had ski-o and other variants as well. The rat race in edinburgh last year kicked off with a prologue that was a score event.
Open Adventure wrote:5hrs of mountain biking, running and navigation visiting as many points as you can
Sounds quite like orienteering to me.
Peter B wrote:At the other end of the spectrum, orienteers may try it to find that they prefer it more than orienteering. Do we want that?
if thats the case this is likely to happen anyway, we can't force people to stay in the sport at gunpoint. We need to look at our own sport and see why people are leaving and address these issues. I guess the next figures to show the reduction in 20-40 year olds in the sport will be put down to nopesport allowing advertisements from adventure race events.
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brooner wrote:Adventure racing includes bike-o as well as foot-o and there are probably races which have had ski-o and other variants as well. The rat race in edinburgh last year kicked off with a prologue that was a score event.
Yeah but I've never actually seen "rope pursuits" or canoeing as skills needed to orienteer. The point i'm trying to make is, adventure racing may demand skills such as those needed for foot/bike/ski-o, but also others above those, such as canoeing or rope pursuit work. What im saying is that those newcomers to adventure racing that come from orienteering may be confident in running/navigating/being able to ride a bike to the necessary level, but not necessarily handle whatever "rope pursuits" involve.
brooner wrote:I guess the next figures to show the reduction in 20-40 year olds in the sport will be put down to nopesport allowing advertisements from adventure race events.
You've already mentioned that at the Rat Race you will be advertising orienteering in it's own right, which agreed is a good thing. And, also like you have now admitted, advertising adventure races to orienteers may not be so much of a good thing, so is it time now to start thinking about the impact such adverts are having, and acting upon it?
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