I agree with Wattok -
it seems a bit comfortable
The 1993 Silver team was formed out of a group of 1 definite, 1 probable and 5 potentials.
the 2001 Nordic Gold team contained an 'upset' selection - but it worked. JD was left out and was gutted.
His response was apparent in 2003.
In these successes people had fought to be there, I think that helps.
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the stuff about being familiar with start procedures and the peculiarities of the event doesn't really apply though. the athletes in question all have huge experience of running in many different countries, and know all the various 'peculiarities' that exist. i'm sure the foreign runners felt quite comfortable and happy racing over here- this removes some of our home advantage and explains why we have equally good performances elsewhere.
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i think a few athletes in the GB team did too many races before the world cups. whether this was demanded by selectors or the personal choice of the athlete I am not sure.
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With regard to the relay, I was a little surprised that they left GG out - he has had some very good relay runs recently - fastest long leg at the JK IIRC. There's no doubt JD and Dan are very good orienteers but, as Becks was saying at the w/e, maybe it's time to concentrate on developing the youngsters who have been coming through - the GGs, Speakeys, Craneys, Scotias etc of the British O scene
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With regards the relay team, even with the 3 fastest times from the 2 teams we still wouldn't have been any higher than the 2nd team finished. But i agree that staying with the same team when there are others who deserve it is poor team selection. Admittedly Speakey didn't perform on the 1st leg this week, but his runs on 1st leg over the last year have been quality - including the last World Cup in Germany where he came back in 2nd place. And Craney's run at the British was world class - a shame there was hardly any world class runners there to witness it!
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Becks wrote:My word, that's a way to incriminate a girl without her having a say in the matter!
It what way was that incriminating? I was only agreeing with your opinion, which I thought was very valid and clearly so do others. didn't quite word it right I suppose, but then I don't do words...
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Well yes, I'd have liked to introduce my thoughts myself before having them thrown into a discussion I thought it wise to stay out of! I do believe my phrasing at the weekend was more along the lines of upward curve/trajectory then "youngsters" - there were some older athletes out there getting some good results and still blatantly improving vastly aswell. But I'm really not getting into this one.
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Ref the relay. Perhaps the selectors should have looked at GB athletes performances on GB terrain it might have altered their team, as said Craney has had some superb results and ran well at World Cup.
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Dids is just stirring as usual - Supersaint's analysis shows most of the team (especially the younger ones) are on the up. There are probably a couple of the men who are disappointed but I don't think it points to any fundamental problems with the team management.
I don't think being on home terrain makes much difference unless it is very specialised - which these areas weren't. Where home advantage does make a difference is in getting through the time between races - having familiar food, TV, shops etc and speaking the language makes things easier, but then all the Scandies and most of the others speak English anyway and the food wouldn't have been an issue. I remember a trip to Czech where we were fed slabs of greasy meat, pickled cabbage and sweet dumplings for every meal, and weren't able to ask for anything different. The vegetarians were struggling.
I don't think being on home terrain makes much difference unless it is very specialised - which these areas weren't. Where home advantage does make a difference is in getting through the time between races - having familiar food, TV, shops etc and speaking the language makes things easier, but then all the Scandies and most of the others speak English anyway and the food wouldn't have been an issue. I remember a trip to Czech where we were fed slabs of greasy meat, pickled cabbage and sweet dumplings for every meal, and weren't able to ask for anything different. The vegetarians were struggling.
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yeh poland was like that as well, but if you do your homework you know its going to be like that and so shouldnt bother you if you're prepared.
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so the consensus is that to gain any home advantage we use a region where they talk funny and the food is naff?
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Domhnull Mor wrote:Supporters provide a lift but, as you well know, unlike football or athletics we spend the vast majority of any race away from them (except maybe in sprint races).
When the places come down to a matter of seconds the run in times become important and the Brits were def. getting a lift there.
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Dids is just stirring as usual
I don't think that's the case. I think there was a couple of atheletes who seemed tired.
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