Its a competion event such as the CSC. A competitor starts, picks up a map and sets off, a few minutes later the same competitor returns to the start saying they have picked up the wrong map.
Do they have to collect the correct map and set off again using the original punched start time, or, can they go back to the clear station, clear the SI Card and take a new start time.
What is the rule ?
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You should NOT re-start your SI card.
In the days before electronic punching you would not get a new start time written on your control card. And so this shhould not change.
If you pick up the wrong map then that's your own fault. Even if somehow its the wrong map in your box (like someone picked up 2 stuck together and dropped the other one into your box) it is your responsibility to check it before you head off.
You could just complete the course and then try and get a course change once you have finished onto the one you actually run. this doesn't work when your an M14 who ran W16 though....
In the days before electronic punching you would not get a new start time written on your control card. And so this shhould not change.
If you pick up the wrong map then that's your own fault. Even if somehow its the wrong map in your box (like someone picked up 2 stuck together and dropped the other one into your box) it is your responsibility to check it before you head off.
You could just complete the course and then try and get a course change once you have finished onto the one you actually run. this doesn't work when your an M14 who ran W16 though....
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At the World Students in Switzerland back in 94 one of the women was given a men's map by the start official, realised at number one, came back and was restarted, but then got disqualified for having already been in the competition area before starting
So that interpretation of the (IOF) rules doesn't allow a new start time.
So that interpretation of the (IOF) rules doesn't allow a new start time.
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Last year at a compass sport cup match that I was helping at such an incident occurred. The team leader at the start allowed the competitor to pick up the correct map and restart his time.
I beleived this to be incorrect and pointed out that it was the competitor that made the mistake of picking up the wrong map and therefore his start time should have remained unchanged.
The teamleader actually agreed with me, but in the fluster of the actual mishap he was caught on the hop. Fortunately nobody complained and the results stood.
I beleived this to be incorrect and pointed out that it was the competitor that made the mistake of picking up the wrong map and therefore his start time should have remained unchanged.
The teamleader actually agreed with me, but in the fluster of the actual mishap he was caught on the hop. Fortunately nobody complained and the results stood.
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this is why the starters alway say
10 seconds to go, step over the line CHECK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT MAP!!!!
i know most people don't but you should!! save 2 seconds here, rather than minutes later
10 seconds to go, step over the line CHECK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT MAP!!!!
i know most people don't but you should!! save 2 seconds here, rather than minutes later
'Grab it by the balls'
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When I marshalled at KIMM 2001 (Clyde Muirsheil), at the 1st control of Elite and also on score courses on day 2, a team came through who shouldn't have been there - they had picked up the Elite map instead of their correct A course map. So, I radioed through to find out the correct controls for their course and they copied these off my master map of all controls and set off, abotu 30 mins later. As far as I know, they went to the correct A 2nd control and completed the course, with the incorrect Elite 1st counting instead of their correct A 1st. Of course, they were very lucky that the 1st control they visited was manned, or they could have carried on incorrectlt much further.
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LostAgain wrote:Last year at a compass sport cup match that I was helping at such an incident occurred. The team leader at the start allowed the competitor to pick up the correct map and restart his time.
Wouldn't you have to clear first, before restarting?
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the duncan wrote:this is why the starters alway say
10 seconds to go, step over the line CHECK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT MAP!!!!
i know most people don't but you should!! save 2 seconds here, rather than minutes later
Unfortunately this is no longer the case in most events I go to these days. I find that they start us, we punch the start control and then run over to the maps.
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Its a competion event such as the CSC. A competitor starts, picks up a map and sets off, a few minutes later the same competitor returns to the start saying they have picked up the wrong map.
Do they have to collect the correct map and set off again using the original punched start time, or, can they go back to the clear station, clear the SI Card and take a new start time.
So do you reckon it made any difference to the final (team) result or was it really a hypothetical question?
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Having got to the first control at the CSC Final a couple of years ago, I returned to the start changed map and just carried on having lost time faffing around formthe wrong control. Never assumed I would have the option of re-starting. Was my own stupid fault.
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We had a kid supposed to be running JM3 pick up a course 3 map (W21L and so on) at our badge event in January. He actually didn't realise and got round quite a bit of the course, before deciding he'd been out for a bit too long...
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I was in charge of the start at the JK a few years ago where exactly this situation occured. Not knowing what the rules said, I informed the competitor (a rather irate older junior who insisted that the wrong map was in the box for his course) that it was probably a case of 'tough luck' and he should have checked. However, I did say that I would make a note of the time he restarted, so that if he made a formal protest when he had completed the correct course, then the correct details would be on record to allow a correction to the running time to be made. I also checked that all the maps in the corresponding (adjacent to each other) map boxes were of the correct course, which they were.
As far as I am aware, after calming down after his run he realised it was probably his mistake, and no formal protest was made. I also doubt that it would have been upheld. As everyone else has said, it is your responsibility to check you've got the right map.
As far as I am aware, after calming down after his run he realised it was probably his mistake, and no formal protest was made. I also doubt that it would have been upheld. As everyone else has said, it is your responsibility to check you've got the right map.
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