Black Courses
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Black Courses
With winning times on Brown courses now generally between 45-50 mins, should Black courses be used more at District events should the area allow it?
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Rich - orange
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Re: Black Courses
Rich wrote:With winning times on Brown courses now generally between 45-50 mins, should Black courses be used more at District events should the area allow it?
Or we could have courses planned to the standards, and then this would not be an issue.
Edit: Having said that the rules state that the majority of competitors should complete in 65-105 minutes and a winning time of 45-50 minutes does not necessarily mean that this has not been met.
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I think we'll get dizzy if you put on a black course on most of the area's I've been to recently. Colour Coded events tend to be on small, often scrappy areas. The areas able to support a black course often being saved for the badge (regional) event.
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I've always wanted to see a Black course at a district event, but I've never come across one.
Many district events attract only a relatively small number of competitors, so adding a Black course, even it were viable, would result in smaller fields for the harder courses. I think most people who run Brown would run Black if it were offered, so there would therefore be no need for Brown. In my opinion, Brown courses should be made longer instead.
Many district events attract only a relatively small number of competitors, so adding a Black course, even it were viable, would result in smaller fields for the harder courses. I think most people who run Brown would run Black if it were offered, so there would therefore be no need for Brown. In my opinion, Brown courses should be made longer instead.
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I've done two in the last few years, one on cannock chase the other in Leicestershire. The Brown is little longer than the Blue these days so maybe it should be made longer. Some areas are too small but many are sufficiently large to get Blacks in. There should be something of 10km+, the Browns now are not much longer than a M21 Medium race.
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pyrat - [nope] cartel
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In the brambles of White Rose country the straight line distance is not to representative. Hence the focus in tghe guidelines on time. I thought the expected winning time was 60+ minutes.
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Does it not depend on who's running (small areas aside)? Ours used to be quite close until some M21 chappie from INT moved to Norwich and now regularly wins by about 8-10mins.
Browns may only be as long as an M21medium, but they are as long as M35/40L and given that there are only half a dozen M21s in East Anglia, I guess we'll just have to put up with them ruining the par time for us oldies.
Browns may only be as long as an M21medium, but they are as long as M35/40L and given that there are only half a dozen M21s in East Anglia, I guess we'll just have to put up with them ruining the par time for us oldies.
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PorkyFatBoy wrote:Does it not depend on who's running (small areas aside)? Ours used to be quite close until some M21 chappie from INT moved to Norwich and now regularly wins by about 8-10mins.
I am guessing that is why the colour coded guidelines use a suggested time range for the majority of competitors, rather than a straight winning time. Then someone being miles infront has no effect on the course length.
Looking at a few recent results it seems to be the case that, with a reasonable field, a winning time of 50-55 generally produces a course with the majority of runners in the 65-105 minute range.
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I have said this before, but I think where orienteering colour codeds are really lacking is a TD 3-4 long distance course. I think this is called a purple, but is very rarely offered. How are people supposed to break into a sport where to get a long Sunday run you have to be a navigational expert? I think this should be a BOF standard course. Should orienteering really be a sport exclusive to the smug navigational experts who have had the fortune to work up the colour classes as kids when 20mins for a yellow was considered a decent outing for a Sunday?
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CLOK often puts on Purple courses, or at least long Reds. As far as I know, its been quite an effective way to encourage fell runners to try out the sport.
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