Is it just me or are there lots of people who, if they can't be bothered to run or are doing badly (injuries are an exception), just drop out of races...it seems to be the in thing to do at the moment!
e.g. yesterday at ash ranges...
Why is that the case?
Is an mp/dsq better than a bad run?
Comments please.
Dropping out of races...
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Yes I agree. Lots of non-finishers yesterday. I'm not even fit enough to start an M21L but I got my fat body round. I'll only not finish if I hurt myself or I think I'm going to be passing out if I carry on. You know who you are - what's up with you? The splits don't lie anyway so you can't hide behind a retirement to not show how badly you were doing.
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FatBoy - addict
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FatBoy wrote:You know who you are - what's up with you?
Well I did not finish yesterday, but that comment might not be aimed at me
I am returning from injury, had run on Saturday, and then made about twenty minutes of mistakes on 2 and 3 (I struggled with map contact). With the rate I was going I would have been out over two hours (and quite probably nearer three) and so I decided to retire and have a terrain run instead (which will be better for me later in the year, when I am back to full fitness).
I think the question is 'where does the race fit in with your orienteering aims?'
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Simon - brown
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Simon wrote:Well I did not finish yesterday, but that comment might not be aimed at me
More aimed at the sqauddie types really, but applies to all. If you didn't think you'd be fit enough then why not run short?
Simon wrote:I think the question is 'where does the race fit in with your orienteering aims?'
I suppose. I know the race was localish for you Simon (am guessing by club) but personally I can't ever see my aim to be to drive for 5 hours total to a national event to aim to do as many controls as I feel like doing. I hope that even the best guys do orienteering to get round and enjoy it, not "I've wasted some time I'll retire".
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FatBoy - addict
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I guess that the comment is aimed at me! I had ran hard the day before and I came to the national event expecting to have a 80ish minute run based on a 70 min winning time, so when i got to 14 and had already been out 72 minutes, felt quite ill and had blisters developing on my feet I decided to miss out 15-18 as they were just a dead run. I was still out for longer than I intended. If I was going to give up because of my mistake at number 2 (incidentally I was in the right place, couldnt find the banner, came in and out 5-6 times always to the same place, then ben chesters came in and got it straight away, about 5 metres from where I'd been standing, not best pleased! ) then I would have stopped then, but I wanted to have a decent training run and so continued. The result was of no importance to me. Im not the sort of runner that gives up because of a mistake!
Slightly off topic: Was the M21 (or indeed all of the courses) too far? When I saw that it was 13.4km i was expecting 5min/km terrain i.e. 68-70 EWT However the winning time was basically 80mins and it wasnt because there weren't any top runners there.
Slightly off topic: Was the M21 (or indeed all of the courses) too far? When I saw that it was 13.4km i was expecting 5min/km terrain i.e. 68-70 EWT However the winning time was basically 80mins and it wasnt because there weren't any top runners there.
"I ran until my legs burned and my veins were pumping battery acid.....................then i ran some more"
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Yes you're on the list of non-finishing superstars. If you check the splits you were only 4 mins behind me when you quit and no doubt would've beat me, but your choice I guess. If the result was of no importance why go all the way down there to get a training run? Not having a go, just trying to understand why so many people quit yesterday.
I wasted about 15-30 seconds at 2 as well being within 10 metres of it. Same happened at 13 as well but more like 3 mins lost going out, coming back in and finding the same spot but actually finding the hole second go. Enough people found it quick enough for me to accept it was me though!
Yes I did think it was a little long - maybe a cross between an E and an L because there was no E? OK I'm not exactly fit but I haven't taken 2 hours on 21L for a while.
I wasted about 15-30 seconds at 2 as well being within 10 metres of it. Same happened at 13 as well but more like 3 mins lost going out, coming back in and finding the same spot but actually finding the hole second go. Enough people found it quick enough for me to accept it was me though!
Yes I did think it was a little long - maybe a cross between an E and an L because there was no E? OK I'm not exactly fit but I haven't taken 2 hours on 21L for a while.
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The rest of my family were already going down to the event and it is not too far from coventry. Also, have you ever tried doing a long run training around coventry?! You lost 15-30s on 2 I lost 15-16 minutes!! Ended up thinking id done a strange parallel error and found a bit that looked exactly like where my control should be (it was the right area!) Yeh 13 was a bit strange, big bit of green by the control! Was anyone else a little confused by the placing of 3 in comparison to coming over the earthbank with the control on it? Seemed the features on the other side of the reentrant had all been shifted? Might have just been me having only orienteered a few times since the summer and being a little rusty!
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I used to live in Nuneaton but way before training days, so no I haven't tried it. I can see your logic if there's a lift going etc. Living in Matlock now so if I could stay un-injured for long enough I have the hills at my door.
Yes I did see your woe at 2 - I was just empathising it was slightly on the bingo side looking for a small hole in deep heather. I know what you mean about 3 - I came round the foot of the bank to the west and seemed to come in to the control too early. There seemed to be a few places where point features didn't seem to be quite in the right place but that could easily be me!
Yes I did see your woe at 2 - I was just empathising it was slightly on the bingo side looking for a small hole in deep heather. I know what you mean about 3 - I came round the foot of the bank to the west and seemed to come in to the control too early. There seemed to be a few places where point features didn't seem to be quite in the right place but that could easily be me!
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Not a squadie, but am guilty of retiring, only got to no2. Just couldn't be bothered really, although when I decided to quit I forget that the Wife would take the piss quite a lot. Spoke to Mark Nixon at the end, his reasons for retiring were much better than mine.
I only really Orienteer now a handful of times a year, usually just the JK and British. I did, however, do the SLOW Trail Challenge today on Wimbledon Common and a Score event put on by BKO at Swinley. Really enjoyed them both. Have to admit though I didn't really look at the map much. If you can find the results you might be able to work out why...If you can't be bothered to find the results, I basically followed.
I only really Orienteer now a handful of times a year, usually just the JK and British. I did, however, do the SLOW Trail Challenge today on Wimbledon Common and a Score event put on by BKO at Swinley. Really enjoyed them both. Have to admit though I didn't really look at the map much. If you can find the results you might be able to work out why...If you can't be bothered to find the results, I basically followed.
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Phil Winskill wrote:when I decided to quit I forget that the Wife would take the piss quite a lot.
More than if she'd beaten you though? I can't talk though she passed me on the flat on a path...
Phil Winskill wrote:Spoke to Mark Nixon at the end, his reasons for retiring were much better than mine.
Do tell. Mharky is conspicuous by his absence...
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out of interest which control was your no 2? if it was 232, it was my no1 (W16A) and a lot of people on my course lost considerable amounts of time on it too. I only lost about a min but was getting pretty annoyed at the time, sure I was in the right place and I turned out to be standing about 3m from the control!
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I think it's a bit of a shame to expect people to justify why they dropped out of races - it's their own decision and generally they do it for the reasons that are best for themselves. Elite runners think of what's best for their running not what other people think - that's how they get to be elite
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Can remember the control no, left the map in the car, hold on a mo I can ask Hel...213.
Mark has be feely tired of late, thats all really, better let him tell you. First time I have spoke to him, really nice guy.
Whereabouts in Matlock are you? I work in Matlock, or rather my company has a small office in Matlock that I visit occasionally.
Mark has be feely tired of late, thats all really, better let him tell you. First time I have spoke to him, really nice guy.
Whereabouts in Matlock are you? I work in Matlock, or rather my company has a small office in Matlock that I visit occasionally.
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