Leeds mght be Sheffield might be even EUOC might be
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Leeds mght be Sheffield might be even EUOC might be
It's all very well Orienteers gravitating to Sheffield & Edinburgh, I understand why, some feel the need, but for O to survive it needs to have a wide student base and be open to introduce others in. Perhaps there should be more initiatives like GG's where an orienteer goes and gets a uni club going. Or Orienteers go to somewhere like B'ham or Bristol and adds new blood to a long established club where numbers are dwindling. It'll end up with non elite Orienteers giving up because they don't get a look in at Sheff/Edinburgh. I know of two who have given up/reduced O activity to minimal level since going to Sheff. May be other activities become more attractive or maybe they see the elite clique and feel there is no room for average orienteers. At the end of the day the course should come first, then several other considerations before the O activities
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thats a little harsh. shuoc is a very friendly place to be and nothing but welcoming to new and old orienteers. we had lots of intro events aimed at encouraging people who were new to the sport and we're not as elitist as people from the outside world may believe. we love new members, especially the crap ones - gives us someone to beat !
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laura> i pm'd you bout edit
i think its good that people go to university and try other things. i seriously doubt the people you know stopped o'ing at sheffield just because there were lots of good people. that is always a motivator i think, lots of people to train with and help you get better. plenty of inexperienced orienteers/newbies at sheffield too.
sheffield (as i'm sure all uni's do) offer innumarable (sp?) sports activities and social clubs. it would be wrong if someone wasted the oppurtunities university gives. i think orienteers join sheffield uni because they already know people there, giving a base of something to do outside halls/lectures. they also know about the universities well due to visiting friends already at uni for open days etc.
i think this is a very worthwile topic though, as it is better if there are more large uni clubs. it will come down to forums like this discussing it though and individuals going somewhere. its not bad though if someone chooses sheffield or edinburgh.
i think its good that people go to university and try other things. i seriously doubt the people you know stopped o'ing at sheffield just because there were lots of good people. that is always a motivator i think, lots of people to train with and help you get better. plenty of inexperienced orienteers/newbies at sheffield too.
sheffield (as i'm sure all uni's do) offer innumarable (sp?) sports activities and social clubs. it would be wrong if someone wasted the oppurtunities university gives. i think orienteers join sheffield uni because they already know people there, giving a base of something to do outside halls/lectures. they also know about the universities well due to visiting friends already at uni for open days etc.
i think this is a very worthwile topic though, as it is better if there are more large uni clubs. it will come down to forums like this discussing it though and individuals going somewhere. its not bad though if someone chooses sheffield or edinburgh.
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I've been vaguely concious of hocolite before mentioning these people who've been put off orienteering since coming to Sheffield. I've got no idea who they are and I think pointing the finger at the most active (both socially and sportingly) orienteering club in Britain (and I include open clubs in that) is just silly. Some of our most active (both socially and sportingly) members had NEVER orienteered before coming to Sheffield. In fact the vast majority of our members have only ever been "occasional" orienteers. If the 2 people hocolite refers to couldn't be bothered to make the effort (and there isn't much effort to need to be bothered to make) then I think pointing the finger at ShUOC is just plain wrong.
Aaaaanyway, 'tis good to see people making other uni clubs good, but there's nothing wrong with most people coming to Sheffield or Edinburgh. It isn't just the size and quality of the club that attracts people to Sheffield, but more so the fact that it's the best LOCATION for orienteering training while studying in Britain.
Aaaaanyway, 'tis good to see people making other uni clubs good, but there's nothing wrong with most people coming to Sheffield or Edinburgh. It isn't just the size and quality of the club that attracts people to Sheffield, but more so the fact that it's the best LOCATION for orienteering training while studying in Britain.
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As a rider to this where are there Uni O clubs that are active.
SHUOC
EUOC
BUOC
NUOC (Nottingham I think)
LUOC
WUOC
OUOC
CUOC
?Durham
Any others, it's not many compared to the no. of UNi's
This might give those considering Uni in the future an idea of where they might find Orienteering offered.
SHUOC
EUOC
BUOC
NUOC (Nottingham I think)
LUOC
WUOC
OUOC
CUOC
?Durham
Any others, it's not many compared to the no. of UNi's
This might give those considering Uni in the future an idea of where they might find Orienteering offered.
Diets and fitness are no good if you can't read the map.
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but what you do find is that because O is so small the little clubs will tie their activities with the big boys. Edinburgh have strong links with Heriot Watt, St Andrews and now Paisley. Although we'll never go an promote the sport for that uni they are always welcome on training weekends.
Sheffield and Hallam have something similar going i believe.
Sheffield and Hallam have something similar going i believe.
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correct old chum. they are allowed to run for ShUOC at all events except BUSA.
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From Hocolites original list
SHUOC Sheffield
EUOC Edinburgh
BUOC Birmingham?
NUOC Nottingham
LUOC Leeds
WUOC I have no idea what this one is
OUOC Oxford
CUOC Cambridge
UDOC Durham
What is WUOC?
15 or 20 years ago there were more than twice as many active universities - I can think of Loughborough, Lancaster, Leicester, London, Bath, Manchester, Aberdeen, Glasgow, York, Bangor, Southampton. Have all these clubs disappeared? Lancaster and Southampton were big enough to organise BUSF in the early nineties.
SHUOC Sheffield
EUOC Edinburgh
BUOC Birmingham?
NUOC Nottingham
LUOC Leeds
WUOC I have no idea what this one is
OUOC Oxford
CUOC Cambridge
UDOC Durham
What is WUOC?
15 or 20 years ago there were more than twice as many active universities - I can think of Loughborough, Lancaster, Leicester, London, Bath, Manchester, Aberdeen, Glasgow, York, Bangor, Southampton. Have all these clubs disappeared? Lancaster and Southampton were big enough to organise BUSF in the early nineties.
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Southampton. Have all these clubs disappeared
As for Southampton, I and a couple of others ran it for a few years while we were there. Then we left (all simultaneously which probably wasn't the best), with assurances that if someone came along wanting to orienteer that it would be easy to carry on what we left off. Unfortunately when that person came along, she found that these promises weren't kept and she'd have to set up the club afresh. So in part it was down to the Athletic Union. Shame, really.
I can't see the reduction in the number of student clubs as anything other than bad. It reduces the opportunities to get fit young things into the sport, it reduces the number of institutions at BUSA (doesn't this affect funding too?) and there's definitely fewer people at the Cambridge Sprint-O than when I first went (ages ago, better in my day, chunter, chunter, etc. etc.).
I can't see a reasonable way round it though. Sheffield, Edinburgh and so on won't undergo the same fate as So'ton because they have the terrain, so even if their numbers do drop it'll only be temporary. You can't dictate university applications.
Or you could install large, complex hills round every university city and then seed them with beech trees, throw loads of boulders into the middle and see what's there in twenty years time. If it's not good enough then dig a mine.
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