First of all an apology. When I left the BOF job I offered to maintain the gold badge lists. What I didn't reckon for was the all-consuming nature of the course that I was on, and I as has become transparently obvious, I didn't. So, basically, it's my fault the lists aren't up to date, and I had fallen too far behind to have them ready for the qualifiers.
I am now working hard on them now, and will have them ready within the next 14 days.
I have to say that the process has been considerably slowed by organisers regularly not calculating them correctly, or not calculating badge times at all - although Mike Napier's system is reliable. It has meant recalculating each event's times. It's not as if it's any more difficult than the older system - but what was interesting was how often the old system badge times were miscalculated.
I was also pressured into using "Gold Badge" time (i.e. 3 badge standards) as the benchmark for the YBT - I'm not one to succumb usually, but that's the problem when competitions become a committee business. I wanted "Gold standard" (i.e. one badge standard) - a lot simpler to keep track of, and what was used for the first few years of the YBT. It would also have moved the older ones on a lot quicker. I would still advocate returning this, and feel it was a mistake to adopt the "Gold Badge" benchmark. The delicate balance of allowing the inexperienced to compete at their level and ensuring that they move on when appropriate has been badly disturbed, as this year's and last year's competition have, to me, demonstrated.
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Well that'll keep you out of mischief - I hope the list might be published on nopesport and not buried on some inaccessible BOF page so we can all see it and know what course our children should be running - it is obviously presently quite easy to make an innocent mistake.
Inicidentally - do gold standards get awarded if there is only one person on the course as happened to Rosey at Haugh Wood - it was definitely not a gold time - and if that was the case it would be wrong to use a single gold standard as the bench mark as I very much doubt she could produce three of them
Anyway - good luck - at least it will be a good way to crack your Eastender addiction
Inicidentally - do gold standards get awarded if there is only one person on the course as happened to Rosey at Haugh Wood - it was definitely not a gold time - and if that was the case it would be wrong to use a single gold standard as the bench mark as I very much doubt she could produce three of them
Anyway - good luck - at least it will be a good way to crack your Eastender addiction
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Mrs H. wrote:Inicidentally - do gold standards get awarded if there is only one person on the course as happened to Rosey at Haugh Wood
I'm sure others are more qualified to answer this but I believe that the answer is yes. The only exception I know of is 21L (and 20 I guess) courses at national events where the gold time is calculated from the Elite course (unfairly in my view with 22.5% being used instead of 25% just because the Elites run further).
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gold badge standards now on chasers website.
Go to fixtures and then follow link to ybt final info.
http://www.walton-chasers.co.uk
Stodge
Go to fixtures and then follow link to ybt final info.
http://www.walton-chasers.co.uk
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I think you're right FatBoy, but there other exception is when you win a short course - the times are calculated off the long course results adjusted by the ratio of the course lengths - so I can win M35S and not even reach silver standard. (or should it be )
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thanks for the gold badge link stodge.
one thing, I'm down under BOK JW4 but I don't run for them anymore. I've also got JW5S gold badge running for Sarum this year. On the list, it doesn't have 5 short and long separately. Seeing as these are separate classes (equivalent of 16A and 18A) shouldn't they be separate? And do I have to get JW5L gold to be put down under JW5?
one thing, I'm down under BOK JW4 but I don't run for them anymore. I've also got JW5S gold badge running for Sarum this year. On the list, it doesn't have 5 short and long separately. Seeing as these are separate classes (equivalent of 16A and 18A) shouldn't they be separate? And do I have to get JW5L gold to be put down under JW5?
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helen wrote:
awk wrote:
Also noted your comment about miscalculated badge times. The greatest priority must be to have a single piece of software, sent to all clubs like the Badge 5 programme, that will calculate times consistently. Even better if this can accept inputs from Si and EMIT.
Once you have JW5 gold on either S or L, it counts as JW5, so you run Green....one thing, I'm down under BOK JW4 but I don't run for them anymore. I've also got JW5S gold badge running for Sarum this year. On the list, it doesn't have 5 short and long separately. Seeing as these are separate classes (equivalent of 16A and 18A) shouldn't they be separate? And do I have to get JW5L gold to be put down under JW5?
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Andy now I realise who you are, thanks for the offer to update the list, I don't envy you. Must say I agree with Mrs. H and your 'commitee' that 3 badge standards are better, it is tough on a junior to compete against others better than them, all because they got 1 Gold at a thinly attended event.I wanted "Gold standard" (i.e. one badge standard) - a lot simpler to keep track of, and what was used for the first few years of the YBT. It would also have moved the older ones on a lot quicker. I would still advocate returning this, and feel it was a mistake to adopt the "Gold Badge" benchmark.
Also noted your comment about miscalculated badge times. The greatest priority must be to have a single piece of software, sent to all clubs like the Badge 5 programme, that will calculate times consistently. Even better if this can accept inputs from Si and EMIT.
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The list is last years so that is why Helen. It is a reasonable base to work from but it is important to watch out for rapidly rising stars!!
Stodge. It might seem that this debate has taken away any complements you should have received for your prompt on the days results for YBT and everyone else. These should be noted as we all forget the days when never mind gold standards each manager had to trawl through the washing line to find their competitors and then try to calculate their scores.
You and the software developers should receive their accolades.
However ref the suggestions clubs could have software to calc the badge winners surely this should be part of the BOF system after all rankings can be calc from all badge courses for seniors so surely a few tweaks could generate gold badge holders, or am I asking a lot. I would think it would be difficult to get all the info for clubs. It could be an awful lot of downloading from the net, if your juniors travel the whole country.
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Stodge. It might seem that this debate has taken away any complements you should have received for your prompt on the days results for YBT and everyone else. These should be noted as we all forget the days when never mind gold standards each manager had to trawl through the washing line to find their competitors and then try to calculate their scores.
You and the software developers should receive their accolades.
However ref the suggestions clubs could have software to calc the badge winners surely this should be part of the BOF system after all rankings can be calc from all badge courses for seniors so surely a few tweaks could generate gold badge holders, or am I asking a lot. I would think it would be difficult to get all the info for clubs. It could be an awful lot of downloading from the net, if your juniors travel the whole country.
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Anonymous wrote:Stodge.
It might seem that this debate has taken away any complements you should have received for your prompt on the days results for YBT and everyone else. These should be noted as we all forget the days when never mind gold standards each manager had to trawl through the washing line to find their competitors and then try to calculate their scores.
You and the software developers should receive their accolades.
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HOCOLITE wrote:However ref the suggestions clubs could have software to calc the badge winners surely this should be part of the BOF system after all rankings can be calc from all badge courses for seniors so surely a few tweaks could generate gold badge holders, or am I asking a lot.
If we could persuade all the software people to export results using the IOF standards:
http://www.soenniksen.dk/iof-datastandard/datastandard/index.shtml
Then software such as badge time calcs, ranking points, compass sport cup results, YBT results etc could be written to run off these files rather than being written specific to the software it's written for. It may be a few years off having everything in place to do it, but in an ideal world your software of choice uploads the data file to BOF's website and the rankings, badge times etc are all automatically done. Or am I dreaming....
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