Our club has what I think is the most complicated arrangement - running courses based on Compass Sport Cup classes and then handicapping by age - which means that the old people win and it's difficult, if not impossible with small children, to get a brown, green and a yellow for the kids in the two hour start slot - not very inclusive.
So how doyou do your club champs, or don't you bother?
Club Championships - how do you do yours?
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EUOC: we hold ours every february and call it the scottish unis champs!
Interlopers... I've never run but seems to involve last years winner planning, making the handicaps up and lots of fancy dress. reigning champions have been known to flee the country to avoid organising (graeme for example!)
Interlopers... I've never run but seems to involve last years winner planning, making the handicaps up and lots of fancy dress. reigning champions have been known to flee the country to avoid organising (graeme for example!)
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rocky - [nope] cartel
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Re: Club Championships - how do you do yours?
PorkyFatBoy wrote:Our club has what I think is the most complicated arrangement - running courses based on Compass Sport Cup classes and then handicapping by age - which means that the old people win and it's difficult, if not impossible with small children, to get a brown, green and a yellow for the kids in the two hour start slot - not very inclusive.
So how doyou do your club champs, or don't you bother?
NOC use or at least use to use a badge event and compare results to gold standard with other factors taken into acount I believe.
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Rich - orange
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My club does a league based system, over the course of a season (best six results to count).
Events included are generally reasonably local C4 and higher with a reasonable club turnout (generally 25+ members). This is about 12-14 events a season.
Points for colour coded are related to the winners time (the 'winner' is the fastest CSC course elligible person) - people lose a percentage of the points if they are running down (based on the CSC classes).
Points for badge events are based on winners time for long courses and on the faster of the winners time and a scaled long course winners time for those running short.
Planner/controller at an event get a set amount of points (80 iirc) to compensate for not being able to run.
Generally the older competitors lose out in colour coded events - due to how the CSC groups people.
Overall the league is usually won by one of the people I consider to be the best in the club. This year I am expecting it will be a junior, who is running very well at the moment.
Events included are generally reasonably local C4 and higher with a reasonable club turnout (generally 25+ members). This is about 12-14 events a season.
Points for colour coded are related to the winners time (the 'winner' is the fastest CSC course elligible person) - people lose a percentage of the points if they are running down (based on the CSC classes).
Points for badge events are based on winners time for long courses and on the faster of the winners time and a scaled long course winners time for those running short.
Planner/controller at an event get a set amount of points (80 iirc) to compensate for not being able to run.
Generally the older competitors lose out in colour coded events - due to how the CSC groups people.
Overall the league is usually won by one of the people I consider to be the best in the club. This year I am expecting it will be a junior, who is running very well at the moment.
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Thanks people. Not sure about the fancy dress though, Rocky (maybe we could wear our club o suits).
Mharky, could you be a little more specific? (Don't answer that - I know it will be "Nope")
Mharky, could you be a little more specific? (Don't answer that - I know it will be "Nope")
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PorkyFatBoy - diehard
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eryri have two courses.....light green n blue....all over 18's do the blue and theres prize for 1st males n 1st female n then theres the under 18 one and prize for first back (girls and lads 2gether) cos we aint got ne juniors really...and winner organises next year....and theres a prize for the slowest as well!! lol
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WAOC's club championship is a league calculated from the results of events organised by WAOC.
Rules are on http://homepage.ntlworld.com/n.humphries/waoc/WAGAL/index.htm if you're interested in the details.
Blanka
Rules are on http://homepage.ntlworld.com/n.humphries/waoc/WAGAL/index.htm if you're interested in the details.
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heres a reply a little less dry than mharky's. (though i have always enjoyed that arrid sense of humour!)
what OD used to do when my intelligent old man did the system was this:
people run whichever course corresponds to their club champs class, thats up to your club. then, you have an outright winner, but also a handicap winner. the handicaps are worked out thus:
get a spreadsheet with all teh competitors on, and start looking at results from events in the region where most of the club has run at. work out their minutes per km, that is their handicap. (obviously you get an average over many events). then at the club champs, you divide their time by their average minutes per km to get a handicap time. it is amazing how close this brought all the competitors sometimes. its quite simple but seems to work well.
hope thats of some help? not sure i've explained it that clearly!
what OD used to do when my intelligent old man did the system was this:
people run whichever course corresponds to their club champs class, thats up to your club. then, you have an outright winner, but also a handicap winner. the handicaps are worked out thus:
get a spreadsheet with all teh competitors on, and start looking at results from events in the region where most of the club has run at. work out their minutes per km, that is their handicap. (obviously you get an average over many events). then at the club champs, you divide their time by their average minutes per km to get a handicap time. it is amazing how close this brought all the competitors sometimes. its quite simple but seems to work well.
hope thats of some help? not sure i've explained it that clearly!
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Rocky wrote:Interlopers... I've never run but seems to involve last years winner planning, making the handicaps up and lots of fancy dress. reigning champions have been known to flee the country to avoid organising (graeme for example!)
Secret handicap system is the way to go e.g. Negative point controls in a score event. Top quality maps help e.g. using the mirror image feature in OCAD or the contour-only map of Edinburgh city centre...
But you have your facts wrong - I've never won it, and far from fleeing to avoid organising I've twice officially "organised" events while out of the country.
Graeme
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Test races at SprintScotland (Alloa/Falkirk) and Euromeeting (near Stirling).
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on harlequins has changed a few times
when i first came we ran 4 courses, orange and then after that you would do 1 of another 4 courses - abc with those do the open doing the longest. Every1 would start seperately
we then tried it with colour coded courses at a wCH event, but after two years that was dropped for the score idea. Last year we had a mass start score sprint race, followed by again, either an a (short) B(medium) or C(long) course
when i first came we ran 4 courses, orange and then after that you would do 1 of another 4 courses - abc with those do the open doing the longest. Every1 would start seperately
we then tried it with colour coded courses at a wCH event, but after two years that was dropped for the score idea. Last year we had a mass start score sprint race, followed by again, either an a (short) B(medium) or C(long) course
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