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I plan to take this bus 41. Should I get off at the sport centre? Will it be a problem if I stay on board until the management school?
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miklcct wrote:https://bustimes.org/trips/258151813#stop-time-14091930926
I plan to take this bus 41. Should I get off at the sport centre? Will it be a problem if I stay on board until the management school?
I was planning to take bus 100 and stay on it as it goes around the campus and get off at the Furness College stop, but now I see it does seem to go inside the perimeter road to serve the Underpass stop. It is not even clear who to contact with such questions. I hope some of the organisers see this thread and clarify the travel directions by public transport and preferably post it as a news item on the JK website. This is pretty serious: while the number of affected people may be small, some may break the embargo inadvertently and feel compelled to disqualify themselves.
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Whatever you do, don't get off at the main bus stop in the underpass. The only way out on foot is up the steps into the competition area.
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Is anyone else having problems understanding the walking distances in the JK programme?
I’ve just downloaded the 2nd April version and can't see anything in the text on days 2 or 3 on time or distance between parking and arena, so the only information seems to be in the diagram. So what does 1200-2400 mean on day 3? If cars are all parked in the area marked as 4 of the map, there isn’t a 1200 metre difference between furthest and nearest. Perhaps the 2400 is for the campervan/minibus parking which will have a shuttle?
I’ve just downloaded the 2nd April version and can't see anything in the text on days 2 or 3 on time or distance between parking and arena, so the only information seems to be in the diagram. So what does 1200-2400 mean on day 3? If cars are all parked in the area marked as 4 of the map, there isn’t a 1200 metre difference between furthest and nearest. Perhaps the 2400 is for the campervan/minibus parking which will have a shuttle?
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From the plan for Bigland Day 3 I inferred the 2400m is from the campervan parking and cars will be c. 1200m.
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For anyone who''s not familiar with Bigland, it's worth being aware that there is a not-insignificant hill (about 90m of climb) between the parking and assembly.
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Please see the JK website Home and News pages for the latest programme which clarifies the questions asked about travel by bus to Lancaster and distances from parking(s) for Bigland.
For those going to Lancaster, be aware there were traffic lights in Galgate yesterday. It's not clear if they will be removed by Friday, but please allow extra time to get there. Galgate is between the Lancaster South junction on the M6 and The University
For those going to Lancaster, be aware there were traffic lights in Galgate yesterday. It's not clear if they will be removed by Friday, but please allow extra time to get there. Galgate is between the Lancaster South junction on the M6 and The University
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Is the sinister logo on the maps meant as a warning?
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Having done Days 1-3 but not the Relays, I thought it was an excellent JK with really good organisation delivered by seemingly hundreds of happy volunteers, especially on Bigland.
The only slight question mark for me was some mildly erratic planning on Bigland with M40L won in 90 minutes but M45L in 54 minutes - but overall there are surely few nicer places to orienteer than the Lakes in the April sunshine.
So thank you very much to all involved for an heroic effort.
The only slight question mark for me was some mildly erratic planning on Bigland with M40L won in 90 minutes but M45L in 54 minutes - but overall there are surely few nicer places to orienteer than the Lakes in the April sunshine.
So thank you very much to all involved for an heroic effort.
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Absolutely wonderful effort by all involved, what a credit to humanity these volunteers are.
Arnold: As snail rather presciently predicted, M40 was longer than M35. Read upthread for what led to that expectation.
Arnold: As snail rather presciently predicted, M40 was longer than M35. Read upthread for what led to that expectation.
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graeme wrote:Absolutely wonderful effort by all involved, what a credit to humanity these volunteers are.
What he said!
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Thanks Graeme for the upthread info, which I hadn’t read until now. Funny story, I’m an M45 but love Bigland and felt that 8k wasn’t enough to get into all the nice bits, so I traded up to M40 on the assumption that the extra 2.5km meant it had a lot more nice stuff and a lot less nasty stuff than M45. Turns out it was just an extra 2k loop through the toughest bit of the map! Not that it really matters but a slightly amusing lack of common sense displayed here, even if it only affected a single course.
(As an aside it also looks like we’ve significantly underestimated how fast Megan travels through terrain like this, so I was lucky M40 wasn’t even longer!)
Going forward, surely all that needs to be done is to update the CLR table to account for the 8% shorter M21E course, so that all the CLRs go up by a few basis points and the W21E course goes up by a lot? I assume it’s no more than an hour’s work for someone with the right disposition.
(As an aside it also looks like we’ve significantly underestimated how fast Megan travels through terrain like this, so I was lucky M40 wasn’t even longer!)
Going forward, surely all that needs to be done is to update the CLR table to account for the 8% shorter M21E course, so that all the CLRs go up by a few basis points and the W21E course goes up by a lot? I assume it’s no more than an hour’s work for someone with the right disposition.
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That is of course assuming that we want to keep EWTs as they are, as opposed to harmonising them between genders at each age class - which would take somewhat longer!
Be interesting to see how that discussion goes. On the face of it, there’s really no reason EWTs for Men should be any longer than for Women, but orienteering already struggles to attract women so I’m not sure adding 10-20% to courses will help?
Be interesting to see how that discussion goes. On the face of it, there’s really no reason EWTs for Men should be any longer than for Women, but orienteering already struggles to attract women so I’m not sure adding 10-20% to courses will help?
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Arnold wrote:Funny story, I’m an M45 but love Bigland and felt that 8k wasn’t enough to get into all the nice bits, so I traded up to M40 on the assumption that the extra 2.5km meant it had a lot more nice stuff and a lot less nasty stuff than M45. Turns out it was just an extra 2k loop through the toughest bit of the map! Not that it really matters but a slightly amusing lack of common sense displayed here, even if it only affected a single course.
I know it was only a single course, but one only has to look at the leading times on M35L and M45L to realise it was a (as predicted) BIG error (M35L was won in 79.25, M45L in 54.44 and M40L in 90:06). If all you do is look at the M40 JK times from last time (it was 9.5km and won in 74.55) you can see how quickly folk that age run. To make it more than an extra 1km and with more climb and through the slow hard stuff was always going to lead to longer times. To have a (twice) WOC relay silver medalist take 90mins, and only 5 folk breaking 100 mins is bonkers. Actually, my biggest bugbear was the fact we had no (not 1 single) long leg of any description what so ever. It was a 96min (for me) 36 control middle race https://www.jk.routegadget.co.uk/rg2/#87&course=8 Also I went the wrong way on the taped route, but that's maybe not the planners fault
On a more positive note (well except for the lack of loose control descriptions at the Sprint on course 3 (M40) and 7?, for which I was raging), I really enjoyed the weekend, so thanks to everyone who put in so much effort
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forest grump wrote:I know it was only a single course, but one only has to look at the leading times on M35L and M45L to realise it was a (as predicted) BIG error (M35L was won in 79.25, M45L in 54.44 and M40L in 90:06).
Yes, the extra distance on M40 over M35 is a nonsense. As predicted, it seems to be a direct consequence of "gender equality". But, looking at the courses, they aren't so different, and if one looks at 10th place rather than 1st we see M35 10th at 123mins and M40 at 110mins. W21E is meant to be equivalent to M40, and was in fact very similar: it was won in 74. So apart from following the rules , its hard to see what the planner did wrong there.
The "course lengths scaled from M21E" came in exactly to avoid complaining based one outlying "winners" time. M45 is an example where it genuinely doesn't work - they have a far smaller % of the course on the main slope.
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