Provisional entries are now open for the sprint and sprint relay champs in Skelmersdale on 21st August:
https://www.britishsprintchamps.org.uk/
British Sprint Championship Weekend
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Excellent news... August is looking good as I've just heard that the White Rose has the go-ahead and with a campsite!!
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Formal permissions has now been granted for the sprint weekend to go ahead.
Because this took a bit longer than expected, the early entry fee period, has been extended until July 31st. So get your entries in before you go to the S6D.
Because this took a bit longer than expected, the early entry fee period, has been extended until July 31st. So get your entries in before you go to the S6D.
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Great weekend. Ran up in the Vets relay and was one of those who missed #7 which was admittedly a downer; entirely my mistake, although the printing and control pattern could, IMO, have been improved upon. I certainly wouldn't have allowed that pattern if controller, and would have wanted the printing adjusted (paler, as in individual). But overall really enjoyed the course (we had a decent dose of the housing estates), and had a ball with a great club turnout, ranging from those with half a century of experience to those running their first ever relay (and in one adult case their first ever race!). Dead chuffed for our young elite team, finishing 4th, way higher than they expected.
Individual was excellent from from start to finish. Loved the courses, the maps, the challenge, the atmosphere. Have to say this is my favourite form of O nowadays! Wish there was more.
Individual was excellent from from start to finish. Loved the courses, the maps, the challenge, the atmosphere. Have to say this is my favourite form of O nowadays! Wish there was more.
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awk wrote:Great weekend. Ran up in the Vets relay and was one of those who missed #7 which was admittedly a downer; entirely my mistake, although the printing and control pattern could, IMO, have been improved upon. I certainly wouldn't have allowed that pattern if controller, and would have wanted the printing adjusted (paler, as in individual). But overall really enjoyed the course (we had a decent dose of the housing estates), and had a ball with a great club turnout, ranging from those with half a century of experience to those running their first ever relay (and in one adult case their first ever race!). Dead chuffed for our young elite team, finishing 4th, way higher than they expected.
Individual was excellent from from start to finish. Loved the courses, the maps, the challenge, the atmosphere. Have to say this is my favourite form of O nowadays! Wish there was more.
Spotted a few videos and a copy of the map's online (post event). Was the offending control C71? If so, it did look like it was "On the way" and could be missed easily. I guess that is part of the fast Urban Orienteering and retaining the ability to count the control codes 52-66-71-80-96 remains essential. Is running flat out the winning method, if you cant read the map clearly?
A bit sad to not see more of the "Elites" in the results for a real championship race, but I guess it gives hope/inspiration to those below.
The only negatives I heard was about the lack of social distancing, in relation to getting your map & the start area etc. Some felt if they held back and gave space, they would be penalised on time in the latter. I suspect by 2022, COVID wont matter anymore so nothing to worry about next year .
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MrD wrote:A bit sad to not see more of the "Elites" in the results for a real championship race,
Were there many running at Jukola? Haven't look at the results properly.
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awk wrote:Great weekend. Ran up in the Vets relay and was one of those who missed #7 which was admittedly a downer; entirely my mistake, although the printing and control pattern could, IMO, have been improved upon. I certainly wouldn't have allowed that pattern if controller, and would have wanted the printing adjusted (paler, as in individual).
As planner, I should take the blame for the straight line through #7. I was paying too much attention to getting two gaffled legs running into neighboring courtyards (to punish those running in packs and not looking at their map) and missed the overall shape of the courses. I'm not sure why this affected more on the elite and ad hoc classes, but not the veterans and juniors running the same course. I don't think it is actually unfair, but definately unsatisfactory.
As far as I know the map colours should have been the same - coming from the same printer (indeed they did have to be reprinted to adjust the colours) For both days the overprint was thicker than ISSprOM, and the numbers had white outlines. Though I did include the control codes on the relay maps due to the absense of loose descriptions and greater importance of checking codes.
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MrD wrote:Spotted a few videos and a copy of the map's online (post event). Was the offending control C71?
71 or 66 - it was a gaffled leg.
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pete.owens wrote:awk wrote:Great weekend. Ran up in the Vets relay and was one of those who missed #7 which was admittedly a downer; entirely my mistake, although the printing and control pattern could, IMO, have been improved upon. I certainly wouldn't have allowed that pattern if controller, and would have wanted the printing adjusted (paler, as in individual).
As planner, I should take the blame for the straight line through #7. I was paying too much attention to getting two gaffled legs running into neighboring courtyards (to punish those running in packs and not looking at their map) and missed the overall shape of the courses. I'm not sure why this affected more on the elite and ad hoc classes, but not the veterans and juniors running the same course. I don't think it is actually unfair, but definately unsatisfactory.
As far as I know the map colours should have been the same - coming from the same printer (indeed they did have to be reprinted to adjust the colours) For both days the overprint was thicker than ISSprOM, and the numbers had white outlines. Though I did include the control codes on the relay maps due to the absense of loose descriptions and greater importance of checking codes.
No blame to be taken, we all know how relays work and in the heat of the moment some got caught out. We've all had controls that we deem as 'pointless and on the way', but that's part of the sport and a reminder to pay attention at all times.
I suspect that it only caught the first and second runner out in most cases, as if the person got caught by the first leg, they could tell the third runners etc.
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It was indeed a great Urban Sprint Weekend. Shame about the now notorious #7 - I was one of the many that got caught out. Pity really as #6 to #8 was actually a really good leg in itself without having to visit #7!
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I did consider that, but there was an obvious collecting feature just beyond #7 in the grass rectangle at the end of the road with a fence beyond it and a path leading east to the school. #6-#7 required full on map contact all the way, whereas for #6-#8 just required you to run in roughly the right direction for most of the leg.
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pete.owens wrote: #6-#8 just required you to run in roughly the right direction for most of the leg.
Indeed, that was exactly what I was thinking as I ran 6-8: - "This leg is a bit weak compared with the previous ones". Maybe that helped me realise that I needed to go back to 7! 6-7 and 7-8 are both really good.
the numbers had white outlines
You *could* have done this with the circles too. It's not usually a great idea but might make a difference.
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. As I said, the mistake was mine - and I need to think about the process I use for checking sequential controls. However, I did find the relay map hard to read throughout, in contrast to a highly readable individual set of maps, and given the similarity between the areas, find that an interesting, and I hope worthwhile, comparison for discussion.pete.owens wrote:As planner, I should take the blame for the straight line through #7.
As far as I know the map colours should have been the same - coming from the same printer (indeed they did have to be reprinted to adjust the colours) For both days the overprint was thicker than ISSprOM, and the numbers had white outlines. Though I did include the control codes on the relay maps due to the absense of loose descriptions and greater importance of checking codes.
Examining our (Mrs awk's and my) maps there were some differences:
1. The course overprint for the relays was a dark purple - for the individual, it was much pinker and IMO much clearer as a result. The colour of the OOB hashing on the relay map was the same as the OOB hashing and course overprint on the individual map. Interestingly, the relay overprint colour appears to fade out a bit as it crosses the olive green, which it doesn't do on the individual map.
2. The individual map used the step line thickness to surround OOB areas even where boundaries were physically uncrossable - the relay map retained the thick uncrossable boundary symbol. This made the map much blacker, and thus contributed to obscuring the already dark overprint.
3. The white outlines behind the numbers appear to be slightly wider on the individual map than on the relay map, and also used a different font (marginally more readable, but not significantly so).
4. My wife's map print was slightly paler and slightly more readable than my copy.
I was told that the maps for the individual went back and forwards between printers several times to get the overprint 'right', so unless the relay maps went through the same process in parallel (I note the comments about colours being adjusted), that's possibly where the difference occurred. The purple on the relay map looks very similar to the OCAD default, which I know local controllers/planners here change because it isn't good on readability. I know when I planned the JK that we had several samples done before finalising, and definitely changed the overprint colour!
Graeme is obviously far more perceptive than I - I just assumed it was a longer leg after a burst of short ones to change pace, and it didn't seem weak to me at all! I was personally doubly frustrated as I ran pretty much through the control anyway; If I'd just stuck my arm out as I ran past it might even have registered! As I also said, I thoroughly enjoyed my course; I also heard much praise for the junior (U12) relay courses - one notoriously difficult to get right.
#6-#7 required full on map contact all the way, whereas for #6-#8 just required you to run in roughly the right direction for most of the leg.
Not really. On my gaffle, it was just a case of running back to #3 and taking the next left into the courtyard, maintaining the same rhythm. #3 was a planned check as I ran past anyway. The longer leg required a change of rhythm and technique. I couldn't see if the fence behind the grass square had crossable gaps in it, so made certain to avoid it, although it wasn't really on my line anyway.
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I "could" have done that, but I would have worried about creating the impression of runnable gaps. What I "should" have done was to add a short trivial leg after #7 just to create a kink in the courses.
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awk wrote:[However, I did find the relay map hard to read throughout, in contrast to a highly readable individual set of maps, and given the similarity between the areas, find that an interesting, and I hope worthwhile, comparison for discussion.
The terrain used for the relays (certainly west of the dual carriageway) was inherently more complex and difficult to navigate through. The housing is more dense and characterised by a warren of small irregularly placed courtyards connected by walkways with constant changes of direction. And everywhere looks similar; miss one turn and you end up in a different courtyard, rather like navigating to the wrong depression in sand dunes. For the individuals the area was more open and conventional with a hirerarchy of roads and alleys - you can tick off the big features till you get near the control.
The other thing was the weather. Rain always makes it more difficult to read maps.
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