Mandatory? All I see are Minimum Recommendations, and then Additional Suggestions - which seems exactly the right approach. If your local circumstances require or enable a slightly different solution you are free to adopt it.
I am a bit concerned that BO might really come out with some mandatory requirements, rather than just the promised guidelines, which may work in most circumstances but could be unhelpful for clubs or events that don't quite fit a standard mould.
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Well, in the intro they say: "Practices designated 'Minimum Recommendations' are to be regarded as the essential baseline". But in practice, no-one's actually going to check so you're always relying on trust to some extent.
In other news, the government has just announced that team sports can resume, potentially with spectators present (as always, detailed info will follow 'soon'). So I really don't think orienteering will be near the top of the list of 'high-risk' activities!
In other news, the government has just announced that team sports can resume, potentially with spectators present (as always, detailed info will follow 'soon'). So I really don't think orienteering will be near the top of the list of 'high-risk' activities!
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King Penguin wrote:At least one of our local councils still requires a guarantee of 2 m social distancing for outdoors events - orienteers and general public - or further relaxation of government guidance on social distancing.
The resumption of team sports would represent a sufficient 'relaxation' of govt guidance. But whether it will be interpreted as such ...
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Arnold wrote:Well, in the intro they say: "Practices designated 'Minimum Recommendations' are to be regarded as the essential baseline". But in practice, no-one's actually going to check so you're always relying on trust to some extent.
In other news, the government has just announced that team sports can resume, potentially with spectators present (as always, detailed info will follow 'soon'). So I really don't think orienteering will be near the top of the list of 'high-risk' activities!
Bear in mind that is the "English" government speaking for England, not for any other nation in the UK.
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The resumption of team sports would represent a sufficient 'relaxation' of govt guidance. But whether it will be interpreted as such ...
Orienteering is not a team sport and is more likely to be classified alongside other running events, where social distancing of competitors is impossible.
Of course training is allowed, so we could all train by running the same course at suitable start intervals.
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Ahhhh... BOF are following Westminster timetables... by the 13th...
British Orienteering will release Return to Orienteering Guidelines [England] by the 13th July 2020 to support clubs and the orienteering community across England in bringing a safe return to grassroots orienteering.
Maybe they have and it's just not on the BOF website yet?
British Orienteering will release Return to Orienteering Guidelines [England] by the 13th July 2020 to support clubs and the orienteering community across England in bringing a safe return to grassroots orienteering.
Maybe they have and it's just not on the BOF website yet?
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One email said w/c 13th July.
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All very frustrating... the whole point of this thread was so we would be ready when the go ahead came rather than have to start thinking about it. CLOK have done some great work on this... BO should look at their website!
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Here's the new guidance: https://britishorienteering.cmail20.com ... lrlihla-y/
I've only skimmed through it once, but it all looks like good sensible advice.
I've only skimmed through it once, but it all looks like good sensible advice.
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I agree (and it was published on the 13th as promised.)
The key highlight is the restriction to maximum 10 starters per 15 minutes "from the same start location". That's really small and will lead to oversubscribed events, unless the start window is really long or multiple start locations are provided.
The key highlight is the restriction to maximum 10 starters per 15 minutes "from the same start location". That's really small and will lead to oversubscribed events, unless the start window is really long or multiple start locations are provided.
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For easy calculation 10 mins / km = 100m / minute = 1.2 seconds for 2m.
If there is a separate lane per course, and there are 6 courses (again to keep calculation simple), staggering starts by course at 10 sec intervals would mean there "should" on average be about 16.7m between starting competitors, and still 6 starters per minute.
At 10 starters per 15 mins, that's 1 every 1.5 mins which means they could be about 150m apart, which is somewhat more than the government guidance on social distancing.
I have not read the document yet, so I may be misinterpreting the posts on here.
If there is a separate lane per course, and there are 6 courses (again to keep calculation simple), staggering starts by course at 10 sec intervals would mean there "should" on average be about 16.7m between starting competitors, and still 6 starters per minute.
At 10 starters per 15 mins, that's 1 every 1.5 mins which means they could be about 150m apart, which is somewhat more than the government guidance on social distancing.
I have not read the document yet, so I may be misinterpreting the posts on here.
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I assume the limit of 10 people per 15 minutes is about restricting the general "busy-ness" of the event and people in the terrain, and nothing to do with how far apart starters are at the point they start. My simple calculation was that a "normal" event with a 2-hour start block is therefore limited to 80 people. If you run two starts you can have 160 people, and if you extend the event to 3-hours of starts you can get to 240 people.
That seems fine for the first few weeks at least, but clearly further relaxation will be needed before any larger events such as regional champs or BOC can be considered.
That seems fine for the first few weeks at least, but clearly further relaxation will be needed before any larger events such as regional champs or BOC can be considered.
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But there is no obvious reason for a start to be any less busy than the finish. 3 starts would permit 240 starters in 2 hours are apparently acceptable. But this impies on average 1 person every 30 seconds at a single finish. And in practice there will be some larger and some much smaller gaps between finishers.
If that is acceptable distancing at the finish, it is not clear why a more flexible system is not permitted at the start. E.g. at the start people couldd always start at 30 second intervals, on different courses, from a single socially-distanced queue. This might be easier to manage within the government guidelines than running 3 separate starts (with a need for multiple clocks, multiple clear/check/start SI boxes, more volunteers, more sanitisers, more signs etc)
If that is acceptable distancing at the finish, it is not clear why a more flexible system is not permitted at the start. E.g. at the start people couldd always start at 30 second intervals, on different courses, from a single socially-distanced queue. This might be easier to manage within the government guidelines than running 3 separate starts (with a need for multiple clocks, multiple clear/check/start SI boxes, more volunteers, more sanitisers, more signs etc)
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I think the limit is mostly due to the requirement that there should be no gatherings of more than 6 people anywhere at any time. Obviously, at the start this includes both the officials and the competitors and since the starting procedure can take several minutes, then this obviously puts a severe limit on the throughput of a start. This is not as severe at the finish, assuming that competitors move away immediately after they finish.
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Again it's all about writing rules that may intend one thing but achieve something else. If you want people to stay more than 2 metres apart, say so. If you want no more than 6 people in a 20mx20m area (a "gathering"!?), say so. If you want one "gathering" separated from another by a 10 metre virusbreak, say so.
It's not that difficult to read the scientific/government advice and then produce orienteering specific rules that keep everyone safe while allowing events to take place without making a loss and exhausting volunteers.
I'm sure we can work within the new rules but it is annoying when some of them are so illogical and ineffective.
It's not that difficult to read the scientific/government advice and then produce orienteering specific rules that keep everyone safe while allowing events to take place without making a loss and exhausting volunteers.
I'm sure we can work within the new rules but it is annoying when some of them are so illogical and ineffective.
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