Great to see British Orienteering on the case already...
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/news/5202
I would imagine that DIY orienteering and permanent/semi-permanent courses are back on the agenda in England now that we can travel more freely to exercise.
Hopefully we will also be able to demonstrate that orienteering is a solo, outdoor sport and that social distancing is easy to maintain at 'events'.
Still issues with race etiquette, passing on paths, gates etc. Smaller numbers and longer start intervals will no doubt help.
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I'm down to Plan an event on 7th June. It's currently cancelled, but I reckon I could do my bit with a couple of week's notice....
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buzz wrote:I would imagine that DIY orienteering and permanent/semi-permanent courses are back on the agenda in England now that we can travel more freely to exercise.
Yup, agree, POCs, MapRun and similar should be good to go for individuals/households
buzz wrote:Hopefully we will also be able to demonstrate that orienteering is a solo, outdoor sport and that social distancing is easy to maintain at 'events'.
Still issues with race etiquette, passing on paths, gates etc. Smaller numbers and longer start intervals will no doubt help.
I hope you’re right, but I fear it may be a bit of a stretch to show that any “normal event” fits in with the new rules (which at least in England are actually pretty much identical to the old), and we can ill afford any public perception (right or wrong) of us as breaching/bending the rules. I suspect we will need to wait for at least one more iteration before anything like “normal events” can return.
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Having read the latest UK government guidelines that they've finally published today, I reckon orienteering training (like POCs or MapRun) is OK (in England) but any sort of events/activities still aren't.
- only on your own or with members of your family
- don't touch anything
- don't go there by public transport
- stay at least 2m from anyone
- stay alert
- only on your own or with members of your family
- don't touch anything
- don't go there by public transport
- stay at least 2m from anyone
- stay alert
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ricardito wrote:buzz wrote: Hopefully we will also be able to demonstrate that orienteering is a solo, outdoor sport and that social distancing is easy to maintain at 'events'.
Still issues with race etiquette, passing on paths, gates etc. Smaller numbers and longer start intervals will no doubt help.
I hope you’re right, but I fear it may be a bit of a stretch to show that any “normal event” fits in with the new rules (which at least in England are actually pretty much identical to the old), and we can ill afford any public perception (right or wrong) of us as breaching/bending the rules. I suspect we will need to wait for at least one more iteration before anything like “normal events” can return.
Yeh, I agree we're some way from normal events but if we offer events that folk can run in their own time and optionally use GPS tracks for comparing results they wouldn't seem to contravene the solo/outdoor rules.
And if we can position ourselves as an example of an appropriate sport now then we'll be well placed to reintroduce other formats as they become acceptable.
I also agree that public perception is more important than the rules themselves. As you say the rules seem pretty similar, its always been lawful in England to drive to exercise but the police and public opinion have discouraged it. The use of the #StayAtHome slogan has tended to obscure the government's attempts to encourage safe use of outdoors for mental and physical well being, but hopefully now the 'exercise is important' message will get through.
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For public perception, I will feel more comfortable running a MapRun using a phone (as long as there aren't too many narrow paths & alleys) than I would running with a map, which looks like you're in a competition even if you aren't.
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British Orienteering update
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/news/5211
Restart of non-competitive orienteering in England. You can share times and tracking but GPS isn't accurate enough yet to verify that controls have been visited.
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/news/5211
Restart of non-competitive orienteering in England. You can share times and tracking but GPS isn't accurate enough yet to verify that controls have been visited.
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A couple of weeks ago I was pretty negative about running MapRuns while holding a map, based on my experience at the start of lockdown. So, I probably should say that it feels much more comfortable and normal now - even in posh bits of West Yorkshire.
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After some initial resistance from local councils SYO managed to secure permissions for weekly Temporary Orienteering Courses. The SYO permissions team were helped by a supporting letter from BOF backed up by the restart plan/guidelines which served to allay concerns.
The events are for club members only with controls hung for 24 hours, self printed maps and self timed runs with results and chat on website and Facebook, plus a bit of socialising if you happen to start/finish at the same time as others. So far four events have been held with 30 or 40 members recording results at each and no doubt others have run the courses.
The events are for club members only with controls hung for 24 hours, self printed maps and self timed runs with results and chat on website and Facebook, plus a bit of socialising if you happen to start/finish at the same time as others. So far four events have been held with 30 or 40 members recording results at each and no doubt others have run the courses.
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We might be interested in doing something similar. How has it worked with such activities still being 'individual' and not covered by BO insurance? Have the council agreed that for a low key event no third-party liability insurance is required - usually the first, and sometimes only, thing our local councils ask for? Are the club and/or its officers prepared to take on the (very small in likelihood but possibly very large in amount) risk of a third party claim? Or have you emphasised to members/council that the club takes no responsbility, and it is down to the individual particpant to take the risk, perhaps covered by a personal/home insurance policy?
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Snail wrote:We might be interested in doing something similar. How has it worked with such activities still being 'individual' and not covered by BO insurance? Have the council agreed that for a low key event no third-party liability insurance is required - usually the first, and sometimes only, thing our local councils ask for? Are the club and/or its officers prepared to take on the (very small in likelihood but possibly very large in amount) risk of a third party claim? Or have you emphasised to members/council that the club takes no responsbility, and it is down to the individual particpant to take the risk, perhaps covered by a personal/home insurance policy?
Club members are advised that there is no BOF insurance and they take part at their own risk. I haven't been involved with permissions.
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Since there is no actual event then there is no organiser to pursue for compensation. It is no different to an individual buying a permanent course map.
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Some interesting issues arising - perhaps the BO webinar tomorrow will help with some advice. In my (non-legal) view, if SYO have 'secured permissions' and 'controls hung' (and presumably a risk assessment undertaken), it would seem difficult to claim that there is no event or organiser?
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...or we could be happy that some orienteering is actually happening!
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DaveK wrote:if SYO have 'secured permissions' and 'controls hung' (and presumably a risk assessment undertaken), it would seem difficult to claim that there is no event or organiser?
Again no different to a permanent orienteering course- which will have been planned and permissions obtained and markers put out.
But there is no event. Individuals organise their own participation. No one will tell them where to park, what time to start or sign the route to the start. No one will check that they have come back after entering the terrain. No one will be providing first aid. No one will be assessing whether conditions on the day are safe. It is entirely down to the individual to look after themselves.
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