WOC 2018 - LATVIA
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Ralph really is flying now. Pity about the slow start.
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Big miss at the first control for Ralph but after that pretty clean and rapid - 2nd place at the finish - should be top 15 at least and his best WOC result yet.
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Good run from Ralph street, a little miss at no1 then seemed to be clean, currently 3rd but lots of big boys to come. knocked of 2nd place by 1sec
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Very happy to eat my words.
Well done Ralph! Shame about that #1....
Well done Ralph! Shame about that #1....
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13th in the end for Ralph, and orienteering fast enough to medal. Bring on the relays!
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buzz wrote:orienteering fast enough to medal
Taking nothing away from Ralph's 13th position which is a top result but.... if he was orienteering fast enough for a medal then he would have but he didn't so he wasn't
Go orienteering in Lithuania......... best in the world:)
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Re: WOC 2018 - LATVIA
Has anyone looked at the women's middle map and the ocad - shocker
no. 1 been nice if they had cut the connecting line and not obscure a path by the control
no. 3 - middle hill "west part" ???
no. 4 - eastern re-entrant - there is only one in the circle?
no. 6 - shallow re-entrant - on maximum magnification because of all the "hashing" I still cannot see a re-entrant
no. 9 - been nice if they cut the circle that covers 2 other depressions!
no. 10 - they like the "part" description another hill with a control on a part of it!
no. 12 - connecting line goes over 2 knolls 100m or so before the control, nice attack point if the line was not over them
no 13 - connecting line goes straight through oob - should have 2 lines one left and one right to the control
no.15 - circle should be cut as it overlaps with control 14 circle - so you can see nowt!
no. 16 - circle covers path on control circle edge.
Frankly IMO its jobbie! This is not even up to the standard I see on a local event.
no. 1 been nice if they had cut the connecting line and not obscure a path by the control
no. 3 - middle hill "west part" ???
no. 4 - eastern re-entrant - there is only one in the circle?
no. 6 - shallow re-entrant - on maximum magnification because of all the "hashing" I still cannot see a re-entrant
no. 9 - been nice if they cut the circle that covers 2 other depressions!
no. 10 - they like the "part" description another hill with a control on a part of it!
no. 12 - connecting line goes over 2 knolls 100m or so before the control, nice attack point if the line was not over them
no 13 - connecting line goes straight through oob - should have 2 lines one left and one right to the control
no.15 - circle should be cut as it overlaps with control 14 circle - so you can see nowt!
no. 16 - circle covers path on control circle edge.
Frankly IMO its jobbie! This is not even up to the standard I see on a local event.
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I do agree with most of your points about cutting the lines and circles, but...
- "part" of a (small, well-defined) hill is a perfectly normal control description - it's no different from having "depression, south-west part" at #9
- there's no requirement in ISOM to bend course lines round areas of olive green (lines just need to be bent via compulsory crossing points)
- the western re-entrant on #4 is on the other side of the tiny spur
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Russia have the promotion place pretty well locked up - the system has been changed so that the long now has double weight (since in 2019 the divisions are only being used for long distance qualification - the middle has a qualifying race), which means that Novikov's silver medal from last year gives them a lot of extra points (plus they're no longer held back by their poor 2016 results).
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I thought that we had got beyond all of this relegation etc now that we had switched to a forest woc with qualification races? Does each nation get three starters in the woc middle next year or not? And if not, what is the thinking behind introducing the qualification races? The ideal would be long qualification and middle qualification and each nation can enter three in each, with start position being set by the qualification races. This would be fairer on the smaller nations, and stop athletes having to schlep around the world looking for world ranking points.
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Gross wrote:buzz wrote:orienteering fast enough to medal
Taking nothing away from Ralph's 13th position which is a top result but.... if he was orienteering fast enough for a medal then he would have but he didn't so he wasn't
I tend to distinguish between general orienteering speed and specific time loss, and in that context, with the exception of the first control (1.44 down), Ralphs speed was comparable with the medallists. But Gross makes a good point - at the end of the race you're judged on total time.
Interesting to hear Ralphs initial thoughts post race...
https://twitter.com/OnTheRedLineO/status/1026845086859100160
Was the mistake a distraction or motivation to run harder? Either way Ralph knows that he's right up there with the best in that type of terrain.
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blairtrewin wrote:Russia have the promotion place pretty well locked up - the system has been changed so that the long now has double weight (since in 2019 the divisions are only being used for long distance qualification - the middle has a qualifying race), which means that Novikov's silver medal from last year gives them a lot of extra points (plus they're no longer held back by their poor 2016 results).
“The system has been changed so that the long now has double weight”....has this actually been approved and (crucially) published in advance of this WOC? If so where, the IOF site rules section still has the previous scoring mechanism...
Seems a bit odd in any case to be amending how 2017 is scored a long time after the event when this affects different nations in different ways (with those varying impacts visible to every IOF bod nvolved in approval process).
Relay and Long points for 2018 still to be fought for yet anyway, promotion outcome(s) not definite yet!
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The decision about the change in scoring system for 2019 was made in 2016, although I've forgotten what announcement was made at the time. You're right that it hasn't been formally written into the Special Rules yet.
A qualification race is being reintroduced for the middle, with all countries entitles to three slots.
A qualification race is being reintroduced for the middle, with all countries entitles to three slots.
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Re: WOC 2018 - LATVIA
It's surprising there's not a qualification for the Long too. Surely organising (and racing?) 2Q + 2F + 1R in a week wouldn't be too much to ask?
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Arnold wrote:It's surprising there's not a qualification for the Long too. Surely organising (and racing?) 2Q + 2F + 1R in a week wouldn't be too much to ask?
So if this was football, and for example the current champions league, speculation would be that it isn't in the best interests of those at the top of the tree to have qualification where they run the risk of losing one of their finalists to a poor run, whereas if its based on rankings they are guaranteed max finalists...
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