"Event and Competitions Committee wish to advise organisers and competitors that they consider fair competition can only be provided using either of, but not both touch-free or contact electronic punches in the same competition class. All those competing directly against one another should do so in a way that does not confer an unfair advantage on one group."
Did I miss something? That's a quote from BO website 'News' but it's undated. When did this happen?
Also, are there new definitions for event levels (A,B,C,D)? Is this all old news? Can't find anything about that on BO website.
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Re: Mixed Punching
Yes, that view from E&CC isn't new. But its on the website as Guidance, and hasn't been incorporated into any mandatory competition rules (AFAIK). It seems that many event organisers (and their controllers) are ignoring it, and continuing with mixed punching.
The re-categorisation of D/C/B/A into Local/Regional/National/Major seems more recent, but I don't think has been announced as a news item. If you're involved in fixtures committees I guess you may already be well aware of the change, but otherwise perhaps not.
The re-categorisation of D/C/B/A into Local/Regional/National/Major seems more recent, but I don't think has been announced as a news item. If you're involved in fixtures committees I guess you may already be well aware of the change, but otherwise perhaps not.
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Re: Mixed Punching
The view from E&CC arose from their November 2016 meeting.
The change in event levels appears to have occurred with the website relaunch, and in the absence of any communication is causing some confusion at both club and association level. The new levels perhaps make sense when interpreted from the perspective of the target audience.
But an event that a club previously registered as "Level C" is now described as "Regional" - which those who have been around the sport for some time might think means Level B! And an organiser of say a "Regional" event reading the Rules (which still refer to A/B/C/D) has no idea which ones to apply!
The change in event levels appears to have occurred with the website relaunch, and in the absence of any communication is causing some confusion at both club and association level. The new levels perhaps make sense when interpreted from the perspective of the target audience.
But an event that a club previously registered as "Level C" is now described as "Regional" - which those who have been around the sport for some time might think means Level B! And an organiser of say a "Regional" event reading the Rules (which still refer to A/B/C/D) has no idea which ones to apply!
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Re: Mixed Punching
Certainly caused some questions regarding the level of the Scottish 6-Day events - appeared as National on BOF website so this was transferred to "level A" on my club website as this is what it used to mean.
Changing rules and not publicising the changes... maybe not the brightest of moves?
Changing rules and not publicising the changes... maybe not the brightest of moves?
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Re: Mixed Punching
The Newcomer's Guide still talks about A,B,C and D events.
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Re: Mixed Punching
Nimby wrote:The Newcomer's Guide still talks about A,B,C and D events.
It's also a bit misleading in other respects: it talks about a much smaller range of course colours than we now have, the distances are of the right order for forest events (and maybe urban) but not sprint, and there look to be some anomalies (e.g. "orange" can be the low end of 2.6-5km, or 5km up, but not just under 5km). Even the description of "regional" events might be considered contentious - some of these will attract people from a far wider area that the "local region" (e.g. the Urban event that is part of the Caddihoe weekend, which is in the SEOUL). Time it was updated, I think.
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e.g. "orange" can be the low end of 2.6-5km, or 5km up, but not just under 5km.
Presumably the second orange bar should be red ?
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Re: Mixed Punching
I recently took part in an urban race with mixed punching and while at an SI box I had my card in the SI Card slot and at the same time another racer came by and touched the box with their SI Air before I had removed my card. As I was the first in (so to speak) my dib was recorded, would the other runner also have got a valid recording or do SI boxes have a moments time delay while processing. I haven't checked the results to see if anyone missed theis particular control?
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Re: Mixed Punching
canol wrote:I recently took part in an urban race with mixed punching and while at an SI box I had my card in the SI Card slot and at the same time another racer came by and touched the box with their SI Air before I had removed my card. As I was the first in (so to speak) my dib was recorded, would the other runner also have got a valid recording or do SI boxes have a moments time delay while processing.
In Air mode the box is transmitting continuously, so any number of SI Air cards can run by and get a punch, regardless of anything else. Only your SI card would have had its punch recorded in the SI box, as well as on your SI card. SI Air cards don't get registered in the SI box.
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Re: Mixed Punching
canol wrote:I recently took part in an urban race with mixed punching and while at an SI box I had my card in the SI Card slot and at the same time another racer came by and touched the box with their SI Air before I had removed my card. As I was the first in (so to speak) my dib was recorded, would the other runner also have got a valid recording or do SI boxes have a moments time delay while processing. I haven't checked the results to see if anyone missed theis particular control?
As I understand it, SI boxes don’t record AIR mode punches. Split information is recorded on the card itself.
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