Congratulations on your runs: Cat 6th, Hollie 6th, Jo 12th, Ralph 3rd.
All are in action again tomorrow morning in the respective Sprint Relay Champs.
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Just heard Hollie interviewed (not that I understood) after bringing Halden to win the Norwegian Sprint Relay, holding off chaser - gap was down to 10 secs at the runthrough before the last loop. Last two legs were on GPS.
Ralph's team were 3rd and Jo's (Halden second team) 7th. Cat currently running last leg in Sweden.
Prizegiving photo: https://www.facebook.com/HaldenSKElite/ ... =3&theater
Ralph's team were 3rd and Jo's (Halden second team) 7th. Cat currently running last leg in Sweden.
Prizegiving photo: https://www.facebook.com/HaldenSKElite/ ... =3&theater
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Alan's turn tomorrow, and Jo runs again, the Whit Monday public holiday in Norway.
It's a Norwegian Cup Middle Race - individual starts 2 minute interval. Online results, and GPS from 10:20 UK time women, 10:40 men. Indexed at http://liveresultater.no/livesider/live ... hp?arr=596
Jo starts at 11:11, Alan at 11:30, both near the (sharp) end, both with GPS.
Alan's 2 minute man is Matt Speake.
It's a Norwegian Cup Middle Race - individual starts 2 minute interval. Online results, and GPS from 10:20 UK time women, 10:40 men. Indexed at http://liveresultater.no/livesider/live ... hp?arr=596
Jo starts at 11:11, Alan at 11:30, both near the (sharp) end, both with GPS.
Alan's 2 minute man is Matt Speake.
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The GPS is available free.
http://www.tulospalvelu.fi/gps/20170605mellomD/
http://www.tulospalvelu.fi/gps/20170605mellomH/
The terrain looks vague and defuse, causing some big mistakes on the women's. Jo seems to be handling it OK so far!
Edit: Jo finished 4th.
http://www.tulospalvelu.fi/gps/20170605mellomD/
http://www.tulospalvelu.fi/gps/20170605mellomH/
The terrain looks vague and defuse, causing some big mistakes on the women's. Jo seems to be handling it OK so far!
Edit: Jo finished 4th.
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ba-ba wrote:For interest, what's the difference between an athlete licence and accreditation? Do you now need a licence to orienteer?
If an athlete intends to compete in senior world level events (World Champs and World Cup, but not WREs or Regional champs such as the Europeans) then they need an IOF licence. This licence covers them for a calendar year for all such events across the disciplines - so Tove would only need one licence for a full SkiO followed by a full FootO season (she could even do the odd MTBO World Cup and even join her club mate Marit Wiksell for some TrailO). This 30 Euro licence is a nominal fee towards increased drug testing and gets paid to IOF.
http://orienteering.org/athletes-licence/
Random drug testing is only done at the international level for a small pool of athletes. Interestingly Tove isn't listed in the 2017 list although she was on the 2016 one so I don't quite know how that works.
Athlete accreditation on the other hand is a fee that the event organisers charge at an event per athlete in a team (there are separate accreditation fees for Team Managers and other team staff). So if you are there as a travelling reserve then you have to be accredited (and you'd also need an IOF licence if the event is a senior world level event).
What this accreditation fee goes towards can be tricky to quantify.
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Maybe we should setup a WTOC team appeal too, like the WOC team we are mostly self-funded, including our Team Manager who has been paying her own way for many years now.
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Let's not forget our elite juniors as well. The athlete contribution for EYOC in Slovakia this year is £650 and for JWOC in Finland is £1200. Makes £500 for WOC seem reasonable!
What are we as UK orienteers going to do? The current situation isn't sustainable. Are we really going to rely on a 'whip round' for money from interested and generous individuals every year? Sure it would be great to envisage the reinstatement of central government funding after the election or a generous long term sponsorship deal for British Orienteering, but does anyone really think this is likely? Maybe one idea is for BO to offer an option at membership renewal for an additional contribution for specific funds, such as elite development, WOC team etc?
What are we as UK orienteers going to do? The current situation isn't sustainable. Are we really going to rely on a 'whip round' for money from interested and generous individuals every year? Sure it would be great to envisage the reinstatement of central government funding after the election or a generous long term sponsorship deal for British Orienteering, but does anyone really think this is likely? Maybe one idea is for BO to offer an option at membership renewal for an additional contribution for specific funds, such as elite development, WOC team etc?
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I don't see that working as BO don't have the money for the IT development or maintenance of a more complicated membership system.
Lots of clubs have sizeable reserves, I could see a system where clubs sponsor an athlete working. This would be simpler to organise, maybe without BO invovement. Say £200 for a small club, £400 for a large club? These are the kind of sums that most clubs could contribute without making any difference to their running. Total income would be something like £15000 per year. Is that enough to make a difference?
Lots of clubs have sizeable reserves, I could see a system where clubs sponsor an athlete working. This would be simpler to organise, maybe without BO invovement. Say £200 for a small club, £400 for a large club? These are the kind of sums that most clubs could contribute without making any difference to their running. Total income would be something like £15000 per year. Is that enough to make a difference?
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RoT wrote:Let's not forget our elite juniors as well. The athlete contribution for EYOC in Slovakia this year is £650 and for JWOC in Finland is £1200. Makes £500 for WOC seem reasonable!
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WOC is in Estonia and JWOC in Finland so that'll make a significant difference in food and accom.
I presume the 500 is excluding flights.
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I agree. Whilst I'm very supportive of this appeal, it's not a sustainable funding mechanism.RoT wrote:...The current situation isn't sustainable. Are we really going to rely on a 'whip round' for money from interested and generous individuals every year?...
IMHO the only sustainable way to fund support for elites is maximising overall membership and participation levels. The budget for elite support that we can afford is in proportion to the size of our sport. Simple as that.
I'm not saying it's easy, but there are things we could do
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Crex wrote:Whilst I'm very supportive of this appeal, it's not a sustainable funding mechanism.
Yes it's aimed at addressing an immediate problem as described by the athletes at
http://gbteamwoc2017.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... -help.html
I think you and others commenting are correct to say there are significant and broader long-term issues.
Thanks to Hollie for a blogpost today (with pictures) about the weekend sprints several of us followed:
http://gbteamwoc2017.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... rints.html
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I like the ability to be able as an individual to give some money to be able to help (although as yet whenever I click the donate it eventually times out...)
I think that the ability to be able to do this at membership renewal would be good. If it is too hard/costly then a simple few lines explaining what the money is needed for with a link out to a site where you could pay would be easy.
Of course if the collection of money for WOC / Squad etc. is going to happen on an ongoing basis then I guess there will need to be some method of controlling what it is spent on. This could be as simple as putting it into the pot with whatever other funding is available.
I think that the ability to be able to do this at membership renewal would be good. If it is too hard/costly then a simple few lines explaining what the money is needed for with a link out to a site where you could pay would be easy.
Of course if the collection of money for WOC / Squad etc. is going to happen on an ongoing basis then I guess there will need to be some method of controlling what it is spent on. This could be as simple as putting it into the pot with whatever other funding is available.
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Crex wrote:IMHO the only sustainable way to fund support for elites is maximising overall membership and participation levels. The budget for elite support that we can afford is in proportion to the size of our sport. Simple as that.
I'm not saying it's easy, but there are things we could do
I have been saying that for the last twenty years. If we had, collectively, spent just 10% of our energies and intellectual expertise on generating new participants over that period we would have a far more sustainable sport in 2017. Instead of spending our volunteer effort on a huge number of high profile events annually we should have been concentrating a proportion of that effort on 'base level' low key events for those to enter the sport and learn the skills needed.
Obviously there is some progress being made, but IMHO it is rather late and far too fragmented.
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RoT wrote:Let's not forget our elite juniors as well. The athlete contribution for EYOC in Slovakia this year is £650 and for JWOC in Finland is £1200. Makes £500 for WOC seem reasonable!
£1200 for JWOC? That's disgusting. That sounds like the athletes are not only having to pay for themselves but also having to contribute towards staff costs. Look. That's downright criminal. The athletes have enough costs on their plate - most get selected for a number of camps and internationals per year, they have to PAY, yes PAY, to be in the British Squad and they also have to travel up and down the country chasing selection races.
No wonder we have a diminishing group of talented individuals. They're getting priced out and pee'd off!
The least a sport can do is cover the costs of staffing. If you can't do that then don't send the staff. If you don't want to do that then let's abandon the idea that orienteering is a sport and make it a past-time/pleasure activity with no elite section.
That should kill it off.
Come on BO Board and hard-to-sack Chief Exec - get a grip! Find the money and ring-fence it - you are strangling the sport. Can't you see that without an elite you have no "sport" - look at the recent Focus magazine, celebrating 50 years, just imagine how crap it would be without any comments or photos of elite orienteers.
Elites are the lifeblood of any sport.
It's time to make a decision - are we a sport or NOT?
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I have just looked up fees for JWOC. Staying in the most reasonable budget accommodation (3 beds per room) and covering the entries, packed lunches, transportation etc you could do it all in for under 500 Euros.
Flights (just checked with Skyscanner Edinburgh to Tampere) come in about £250
And if you want to push the boat out and have car hire for the whole period - works out about £250 per 5 seater - add fuel-total £60 per person. Grand total - under £800.
So, yes, athletes are subsidizing staff. 12 athletes x 400 = 6 staff (but most TMs aren't as tight as me - so maybe 4 staff are being paid for on this trip. If we were trying to save money - three would be viable.
Flights (just checked with Skyscanner Edinburgh to Tampere) come in about £250
And if you want to push the boat out and have car hire for the whole period - works out about £250 per 5 seater - add fuel-total £60 per person. Grand total - under £800.
So, yes, athletes are subsidizing staff. 12 athletes x 400 = 6 staff (but most TMs aren't as tight as me - so maybe 4 staff are being paid for on this trip. If we were trying to save money - three would be viable.
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