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Anyone fill us in on what happened? You Dane none too happy on twitter?
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Top three teams in Men's Premier all disqualified due to problems with SIAC punching.
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Ouch!
Definitely problems with the punching? In what sense?
Technical or technique?
Definitely problems with the punching? In what sense?
Technical or technique?
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Not only SIAC- Monika punched last control #200 - plenty saw her - and it did not register, so disqualified - shades of Tim Tett a few years ago. Also SI units misplaced on M/W 70 course so all legs had many mispunches. Hope that got sorted in the end. But a good area with good courses and super weather, so all a bit unfortunate.
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Men's Premier
DSQ ShUOC
DSQ NOC
DSQ FVO
1st EUOC 2
2nd FVO 2
3rd AROS
Women's Premier
NC SYO
1st EUOC
2nd SN
3rd FVO
DSQ ShUOC
DSQ NOC
DSQ FVO
1st EUOC 2
2nd FVO 2
3rd AROS
Women's Premier
NC SYO
1st EUOC
2nd SN
3rd FVO
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SIAC cards flashing but not recording a punch.
SI box eventually died completely but organisers did not reinstate those whose cards hadn't registered.
SI box eventually died completely but organisers did not reinstate those whose cards hadn't registered.
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Unusually quiet for such a bit event. I'm sure all will be addressed in the Planner, Controllers, Organisers comments.
I would have thought for a Level A event, all batteries replaced before hand and this is a rare occasion
I would have thought for a Level A event, all batteries replaced before hand and this is a rare occasion
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Complete sh*t show
This, other similar farces at big UK events in the past few years (albeit not affecting the results of the premier races), and even at WOC (e.g. hollie orr shown on big screen punching a control and still being DQ'd) makes me think we need to rip it up and start again, with a new broom through relevant comitties etc. There's no room for common sense and actual fairness, a lot of room for officialdom excuses and hiding behind rules. (Actual quote: "we accept it's the equipment's fault but we will still not reinstate you")
Sometimes I hate this 'sport'. Then again you can't begrudge Eddie getting on the podium.
O season is over and the fell running scene is where it's at. Tbh it's where it's always been at.
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This, other similar farces at big UK events in the past few years (albeit not affecting the results of the premier races), and even at WOC (e.g. hollie orr shown on big screen punching a control and still being DQ'd) makes me think we need to rip it up and start again, with a new broom through relevant comitties etc. There's no room for common sense and actual fairness, a lot of room for officialdom excuses and hiding behind rules. (Actual quote: "we accept it's the equipment's fault but we will still not reinstate you")
Sometimes I hate this 'sport'. Then again you can't begrudge Eddie getting on the podium.
O season is over and the fell running scene is where it's at. Tbh it's where it's always been at.
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BOF-rules wrote:6.1 The spirit of fairness and good fellowship is to be the guiding principle in all aspects of the sport, including the interpretation of these Rules.
Unfortunately, since the dates clashed with james exams, I had to turn down the invitation to be on the jury
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ba-ba wrote:even at WOC (e.g. hollie orr shown on big screen punching a control and still being DQ'd)
Been going on for years.... way back in Tampere at WOC 2001 the Lithuanian girls were denied a podium place by a DQ of one runner obviously punching at the TV control...
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SJC wrote:SIAC cards flashing but not recording a punch.
SI box eventually died completely but organisers did not reinstate those whose cards hadn't registered.
Did they replace it? Surely that being the case you'd not disadvantage those who went through first. Result affected = void course no?
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ba-ba wrote:Complete sh*t show
This, other similar farces at big UK events in the past few years (albeit not affecting the results of the premier races), and even at WOC (e.g. hollie orr shown on big screen punching a control and still being DQ'd) makes me think we need to rip it up and start again, with a new broom through relevant comitties etc.
Maybe you don't think W21e is a premier event BOC 2015 in the Forest of Dean. I start late and catch the four runners that started ahead of me. I was heading the group going into a number of the later controls. Got to the finish. I won. Great! Or I would have done had one of those later controls registered. But I saw her punch it, said Jess Tullie (who after my disqualification took the win) told the controller, only to be told that an appeal would only be successful if I could PROVE the si unit was faulty. If I - a competitor - could prove that the si unit was faulty! I made the effort to go back into the forest to look at the unit, but it just looked like a unit - what as a competitor are you supposed to do???
It is an appalling rule that puts the onus on the competitor to prove the event's equipment is faulty, and indeed one that needs to be scrapped. My sympathies to the disqualified parties.
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One of my hobby horses is how in orienteering we refuse to learn from our mistakes.
In a sensible system that looks to learn from its mistakes and improve, all jury decisions, and their reasoning, would be published. This allows everyone to see what problems (if any) have occurred and lets us all learn from them. Currently, we rely on the organising club to publish whatever they see fit about a complaint. Most are very good at doing this, but it can occasionally be the organising club's view of the complaint rather than the jury's!
The IOF approach is, as far as I can tell, is not to admit that protests have been submitted, never mind saying what their outcome is or the reasoning behind their chosen outcome.
Any system that randomly punishes competitors for event equipment failures is a very obviously broken system, and Rule 6.1 should apply
In a sensible system that looks to learn from its mistakes and improve, all jury decisions, and their reasoning, would be published. This allows everyone to see what problems (if any) have occurred and lets us all learn from them. Currently, we rely on the organising club to publish whatever they see fit about a complaint. Most are very good at doing this, but it can occasionally be the organising club's view of the complaint rather than the jury's!
The IOF approach is, as far as I can tell, is not to admit that protests have been submitted, never mind saying what their outcome is or the reasoning behind their chosen outcome.
Any system that randomly punishes competitors for event equipment failures is a very obviously broken system, and Rule 6.1 should apply
graeme wrote:BOF-rules wrote:
6.1 The spirit of fairness and good fellowship is to be the guiding principle in all aspects of the sport, including the interpretation of these Rules.
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Going even further back to WOC 1991, Yvette Hague was disqualified because she punched out of box, despite the organisers admitting she did it not to gain time.
Bureaucrats just love to have a bit of paper telling them what to do, common sense and fairness doesn't come into it.
Edit - this was in the days of paper cards and pin punches (youngsters - ask your parents what these were!)
Bureaucrats just love to have a bit of paper telling them what to do, common sense and fairness doesn't come into it.
Edit - this was in the days of paper cards and pin punches (youngsters - ask your parents what these were!)
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Who was the jury?
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