Each club will vary in the way they name the courses/event, and this probably set by the number of attendees.
The organiser/planner/controller (same person here now at Level D) will probably not spend hours & hours walking around local woods for less than 20 people to attend. They will armchair plan it, put maybe 20 (max) controls and hope for good numbers. The worst i seen was 7! The usual competitors will attend, and help collect them back in.
The courses will vary in name (A, B, C) or (Short, Medium, Long, Very Long) and the area will be generally TD3 max. The challenge will be in distance not technicallity, some may run all the courses, some may just run 1 for the same cost.
I think that the BOF incentive scheme should only apply to Level C onwards, thats really where the rules are enforced in relation to EWT/Course Distances.
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Re: British Orienteering Incentive Scheme
If you can't be arsed to plan it properly perhaps it's no surprise that hardly anyone can be arsed to turn up (is the risk assessment written from the armchair too?)
Thankfully round here these days Level D events are planned properly and get a minimum of 100 competitors.
Thankfully round here these days Level D events are planned properly and get a minimum of 100 competitors.
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Ooh thats harsh. Never tried to plan an event whilst stood in the middle of some woodland, usually its sat at a table or in an armchair .
100 people, thats awesome. Well Done!
100 people, thats awesome. Well Done!
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JK wrote:I'm sure it was mentioned in one of Focus, Compasssport, Nopesport or Mike's emails about how clubs needed to be putting their level D results up on the BOF website (and indeed many are now doing that),
Well it's pretty clear to me that most club's are not uploading their Level D results. There were 11 Level Ds last weekend and only 1 set of results have been uploaded. Compare this with Level B/Cs where all but one of the 6 events are already up.
The previous weekend only 3 of 11 Level Ds. The weekend before that was a bit better with 4 out of 10 clubs uploading results but hardly the level that will help give this scheme a chance to work.
I will email BO suggesting a reminder goes out in Mike's News/website/Focus etc as soon as they get the system working again.
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There were 11 Level Ds last weekend and only 1 set of results have been uploaded. Compare this with Level B/Cs where all but one of the 6 events are already up.
Based on experience at our club's events, the results at Level C events are fully computersised and run by the same team each time so they know how to upload them.
At Level D events this is not the case. It is left to whoever is organising the event to do the results using whatever method they are happy with, and they get posted to the club website in all sorts of formats. Getting these into the BOF system would mean more work with no apparent benefit.
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Mr D wrote:Ooh thats harsh. Never tried to plan an event whilst stood in the middle of some woodland, usually its sat at a table or in an armchair .
Maybe Course shape might be initially outlined from an armchair and finalised at a desk, but you need to visit all the control sites before deciding to use them
Mr D wrote:100 people, thats awesome. Well Done!
Credit mostly to Sunlit Forres & Roomungous. Club best (event planned by a newish orienteering family, mentored by SF) is 194 I think http://www.moravianorienteering.org/sit ... sults.html
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TAY is one of the clubs who don't upload level D results, something to talk about at the next committee meeting. Mainly lack of awareness of the scheme I expect, but also the case that not all level D events use Autodownload.
If you all send your novices to my event on Sunday (https://www.taysideorienteers.org.uk/events/not-the-jk-16-apr-2017) then I promise I'll do my best to get the results into the system
Now to check on those course names...
If you all send your novices to my event on Sunday (https://www.taysideorienteers.org.uk/events/not-the-jk-16-apr-2017) then I promise I'll do my best to get the results into the system
Now to check on those course names...
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greywolf wrote:Thankfully round here these days Level D events are planned properly and get a minimum of 100 competitors.
Why don't you call them Level C? Its a bit daft having a four level system which advertises these events as being the same as what MrD describes.
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Rosine wrote:Now to check on those course names
You can call the courses whatever you like for the event and your web site. Just make sure they're given an appropriate colour when uploading them to BO.
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graeme wrote:greywolf wrote:Thankfully round here these days Level D events are planned properly and get a minimum of 100 competitors.
Why don't you call them Level C? Its a bit daft having a four level system which advertises these events as being the same as what MrD describes.
We were the club that uploaded the Level D event from the weekend and yes, from the perspective of the 130+ competitors it looked very similar to a Level C. However there were a few crucial differences: 1) no toilet provision, 2) the courses were only armchair controlled. Given that 20-30 of these events are put on each year bringing them all up to the standard expected of a Level C is actually a significant amount of extra volunteer work. With it being Level C we might also not have been able to get away with having a 2 foot silver Christmas tree in place of a distinctive tree that had recently been felled.
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NeilC wrote: With it being Level C we might also not have been able to get away with having a 2 foot silver Christmas tree in place of a distinctive tree that had recently been felled.
At the Malvern Urban last October, a Level C event, we found on the day of the event that a tree near the finish had been felled that week. It was replaced with a small tree in a pot supplied by one of our members who lived just up the road.
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SJC wrote:At Level D events this is not the case. It is left to whoever is organising the event to do the results using whatever method they are happy with, and they get posted to the club website in all sorts of formats. Getting these into the BOF system would mean more work with no apparent benefit.
Knowing how some clubs work, I kind of understand where you're coming from, but putting on events of any size should be a team effort, not just one individual. Our club has a couple of people who generally upload results and it's just a case of sending one of them the results file and asking them to do the upload. Sometimes they might have to rename a course from "short" to "yellow" etc.
The "apparent benefit" is when a new kid in the club suddenly finds himself with his One Star navigation challenge award (for completing 3 White courses), and the parents think what a nice sport it is they've got him in to, want to get them doing Yellow next time, and renew their membership at the end of the year.
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graeme wrote:greywolf wrote:Thankfully round here these days Level D events are planned properly and get a minimum of 100 competitors.
Why don't you call them Level C? Its a bit daft having a four level system which advertises these events as being the same as what Mr D describes.
It would be great if they were Level C - for my ranking, anyway - but they generally don't have a controller and often feature novice planners (sometimes young juniors) with an experienced mentor, so don't meet the requirements for Level C
IMHO the BOF requirements don't provide much of a quality guarantee - I've seen better planning from some Moravian 12 year olds than some veteran orienteers, although now the rules re event officials are even more restrictive that's less likely to happen - and they aren't written to reflect the situation of clubs who are very active and have a large proportion of newcomers.
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NeilC wrote: a 2 foot silver Christmas tree in place of a distinctive tree that had recently been felled.
sounds pretty distinctive to me...
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