...is in two weeks and there hasn't been much chatter or info.
How excited is everyone? Most of the top elites aren't there as they are at the World Cup races in Poland, but Abi is excited to be one of 11 ladies vying to be queen of the forest. Especially as it's a bit of an over-35s reunion in W21E.
Was there some chat earlier about Brown Clee being Lidar-remapped or was that just wishful thinking? I've always liked the area a lot (when fit) but the top bit can be a bit of a bermuda triangle.
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or Event Programme Booklet, or Course Distances... or pretty much anything...
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Start times are published!
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I conclude excitement about the British is somewhat limited!!
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Interesting to note that the BO website had a countdown to the JK, has a countdown to World Orienteering Day, but not to the British Champs ....
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Event programme now published.
Courses are looking quite short. I know Brown Clee is tough in places but will gg really need 90+ minutes for 14.4k and 600m climb?
Courses are looking quite short. I know Brown Clee is tough in places but will gg really need 90+ minutes for 14.4k and 600m climb?
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Depends if there is any Kilnsey-like weather maybe!
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M21E BOC '93 on Brown Clee - 16.4km + 680m climb.
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Test races at SprintScotland (Alloa/Falkirk) and Euromeeting (near Stirling).
Test races at SprintScotland (Alloa/Falkirk) and Euromeeting (near Stirling).
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9.2km with 32 controls - have I inadvertently entered the British Middle Champs?
For those without a calculator to hand that's an average leg length of 287.5m
For those without a calculator to hand that's an average leg length of 287.5m
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Tim wrote:9.2km with 32 controls - have I inadvertently entered the British Middle Champs?
For those without a calculator to hand that's an average leg length of 287.5m
It's what the Portuguese call a long middle at POM.
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What gets me is that course in question, course 8, is the first course to be given a 1:10,000 map which proves what I have known for a long time; that the larger the scale of map the more controls you get. Should the scale of the map affect the planning of the "best course"? No, but evidently it does.
Looking back at my maps from the 1980's a 10km course would have about 18-20 controls.
Fairly obviously 2 things have changed course planning, in my view for the worse.
1:10k maps; these are now the norm. 30 years ago it was 1:15k. As a result we get more controls as planners appear to judge leg length by how long it appears on the map rather than how far it is on the ground.
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Electronic punching; this has allowed courses to be crammed into smaller areas (and parts of once larger areas) with greater crisscrossing of legs without the faff of manned controls and map-exchanges, but at the expense of more controls.
This has turned most Level B & C event courses into what is thought of as “middle” style. Compare these 2 brown courses a year apart on the same area – I ran both, I know the one I enjoyed more - which would you prefer?
http://www.tvoc.routegadget.co.uk/rg2/#65&course=2
http://www.tvoc.routegadget.co.uk/rg2/#48&course=2
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What gets me is that course in question, course 8, is the first course to be given a 1:10,000 map which proves what I have known for a long time; that the larger the scale of map the more controls you get. Should the scale of the map affect the planning of the "best course"? No, but evidently it does.
Looking back at my maps from the 1980's a 10km course would have about 18-20 controls.
Fairly obviously 2 things have changed course planning, in my view for the worse.
1:10k maps; these are now the norm. 30 years ago it was 1:15k. As a result we get more controls as planners appear to judge leg length by how long it appears on the map rather than how far it is on the ground.
And
Electronic punching; this has allowed courses to be crammed into smaller areas (and parts of once larger areas) with greater crisscrossing of legs without the faff of manned controls and map-exchanges, but at the expense of more controls.
This has turned most Level B & C event courses into what is thought of as “middle” style. Compare these 2 brown courses a year apart on the same area – I ran both, I know the one I enjoyed more - which would you prefer?
http://www.tvoc.routegadget.co.uk/rg2/#65&course=2
http://www.tvoc.routegadget.co.uk/rg2/#48&course=2
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This has turned most Level B & C event courses into what is thought of as “middle” style. Compare these 2 brown courses a year apart on the same area – I ran both, I know the one I enjoyed more - which would you prefer?
The challenge with events in the South of England is keeping competitors off paths. Otherwise it just becomes a trail race with diversions to punch the controls.
Meanwhile, it is interesting that Tim used Wendover Woods as his examples. The Chiltern Challenge takes place there this Sunday. Tim's two courses had respectively 7.1k/26 controls and 8.4k/15 controls. This Sunday's Black course has 10.4k/25 controls. If you fancy coming along to see how this year's event shapes up, pre-entries are open until midnight tonight, or there will be entry on the day.
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Alun
I am going and running black at the weekend. I used the 2 events as an example just because it was such a stark contrast and that I remember how much I enjoyed Gary's course (the classic one) because it was a good old fashioned course with a good number of controls. I told him so when I finished. The other one did over-cook the number of controls for my liking - other can disagree. But with the next event (after Sunday) at Wendover being the British Middle Champs such a course would be good practice. (Another gratuitous plug for a TVOC event )
See you Sunday.
Tim
I am going and running black at the weekend. I used the 2 events as an example just because it was such a stark contrast and that I remember how much I enjoyed Gary's course (the classic one) because it was a good old fashioned course with a good number of controls. I told him so when I finished. The other one did over-cook the number of controls for my liking - other can disagree. But with the next event (after Sunday) at Wendover being the British Middle Champs such a course would be good practice. (Another gratuitous plug for a TVOC event )
See you Sunday.
Tim
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Alun wrote:The challenge with events in the South of England is keeping competitors off paths. Otherwise it just becomes a trail race with diversions to punch the controls.
I must confess I much prefer a course with 70% path running to attack points + diversion to ones with endless off path running (unless the wood is nice and runnable throughout, not likely for many south east forests for much of the year). It's just more, err pleasant.
Legs like 10 to 11 on
http://www.tvoc.routegadget.co.uk/rg2/#65&course=2
are why many of us go orienteering - at least 4 different routes, does it matter if they are all path routes?
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