In the current SOA strategic plan:
http://www.scottish-orienteering.org/soa/page/strategic-plan-2016-2020
"Objective 2.1 Through the support of their Regional Development Officer, help each clubs to achieve a mark of excellence (Clubmark equivalent) as a vibrant, high-quality community sports club (Fig. 2). We aim to have all 18 open clubs in this position by 2020."
and in the RDOs' job description:
" Identify appropriate club accreditation schemes, and support clubs that do not have a mark of accreditation to obtain such a mark, including having appropriate policies and procedures."
My impression is that this is meant to help clubs to put in place things that they actually need, not just box ticking.
Membership and levy proposal
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Have you asked them? It would be interesting about portability across Local Authority areas. Aside from the debate it looks like a good offer.
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The EGM result has appeared on BO's tweets.
"Today was the EGM to make a key decision about future funding. Result was FOR 1172 votes, AGAINST 171 votes, ABSTAIN 1 vote. Option 1 got 950 votes, Option 2 got 222 votes, so Option 1 will be implemented."
"Today was the EGM to make a key decision about future funding. Result was FOR 1172 votes, AGAINST 171 votes, ABSTAIN 1 vote. Option 1 got 950 votes, Option 2 got 222 votes, so Option 1 will be implemented."
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How many Scottish orienteers are there?
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Certainly not enough that agreed with the SOA Board's advice to vote against the proposal. I couldn't find the membership numbers in the detailed and illuminating SOA 2016 AGM booklet. The development activity is well worth a read.
http://www.scottish-orienteering.org/do ... t_2016.pdf
http://www.scottish-orienteering.org/do ... t_2016.pdf
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Wikipedia says about 1400.
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cbg wrote:How many Scottish orienteers are there?
Circa 1,500, the 2015 accounts show membership income of £7,427 which is 1,061 Seniors @ £7 each.
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With the Board's resounding backing of the membership at the EGM on the membership and levy proposal, and the withdrawn proposal at the AGM, I'd suggest there are valuable lessons to learn on our governance.
The Board cannot take the the backing of the members on major issues for granted without proper prior consultation. Providing information and seeking views in advance, and incorporating them into proposals can gain over whelming support.
Hindsight is easy, and raising £70k or £90k was almost certain to be tricky. The budgeting, and gathering of information and disseminating it, plus the consultation exercise must have eaten up weeks of professional and volunteer time. I'm left wondering if we need a better regular method to consult, brief and advise both ways between the Board and the Clubs and Associations, even on less contentious issues. A once a year Club & Association Conference, assumes the Board can predict the major issues in advance.
The Board cannot take the the backing of the members on major issues for granted without proper prior consultation. Providing information and seeking views in advance, and incorporating them into proposals can gain over whelming support.
Hindsight is easy, and raising £70k or £90k was almost certain to be tricky. The budgeting, and gathering of information and disseminating it, plus the consultation exercise must have eaten up weeks of professional and volunteer time. I'm left wondering if we need a better regular method to consult, brief and advise both ways between the Board and the Clubs and Associations, even on less contentious issues. A once a year Club & Association Conference, assumes the Board can predict the major issues in advance.
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I find it ironic that BOF manages to file a report on the website on a Saturday about the EGM but usually fails to post anything at weekends when its merely World Cup results or other performance related information. Does it say something about the mentality of those who run the website or is it just chance?
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Chance JonBoy.... Chance...
You know as well as I do that BOF are committed to elite orienteering and would never miss an opportunity to promot the elite end of our sport..... BTW.... what's the World Cup??? Isn't that a football competition???
You know as well as I do that BOF are committed to elite orienteering and would never miss an opportunity to promot the elite end of our sport..... BTW.... what's the World Cup??? Isn't that a football competition???
Go orienteering in Lithuania......... best in the world:)
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maprun wrote:I'm left wondering if we need a better regular method to consult, brief and advise both ways between the Board and the Clubs and Associations, even on less contentious issues. A once a year Club & Association Conference, assumes the Board can predict the major issues in advance.
You're quite right. The mechanism you describe does exist - in theory, issues that clubs have should be brought to their associations, each of which has an director assigned as their liaison, who can then take the issue to the Board or answer as appropriate. Likewise, directors can bring updates, info and ask opinions from their associations, whose club reps should then feed back to the clubs.
In practice, this hasn't been as useful as it should be. Directors can't possibly (and shouldn't) get to every meeting. Messages don't always reach clubs. Messages from clubs don't always reach directors. There are only six elected directors.
It's something that's likely to be revisited soon.
Big Jon wrote:I find it ironic that BOF manages to file a report on the website on a Saturday about the EGM but usually fails to post anything at weekends when its merely World Cup results or other performance related information. Does it say something about the mentality of those who run the website or is it just chance?
I'm not sure who posted it. I suspect it'll be one of the staff - for EGMs and AGMs we persuade some staff members to work on a Saturday, even though they might prefer to be playing football or going to dog shows... We can't do that all the time! They deserve a weekend. Might also have been Martin, but he's allowed a weekend too!
Gross wrote:Chance JonBoy.... Chance...
You know as well as I do that BOF are committed to elite orienteering and would never miss an opportunity to promot the elite end of our sport..... BTW.... what's the World Cup??? Isn't that a football competition???
So who would you like to do the posting and writing of the articles - are you volunteering, or are you suggesting we employ more staff to cover weekend orienteering news??
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daffdy wrote:o who would you like to do the posting and writing of the articles - are you volunteering,
Wrong person to ask.... I've done my share.... Remember news of Jaime's firt WC win coming through to the JK at Rannoch by phone? Twas me phoning Big Jon.....
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Big Jon wrote:I find it ironic that BOF manages to file a report on the website on a Saturday about the EGM but usually fails to post anything at weekends when its merely World Cup results or other performance related information. Does it say something about the mentality of those who run the website or is it just chance?
What it says is that nobody at PWT in China has written an article and sent it in for putting up on the website. And if you try and write the article remotely, by looking at the Organiser's web page and getting results from there, you find that.... they don't exist yet!
The reporting of other performance-related news has been very good on the BO website this year, I think. Articles have been going up very soon after the races, by a combination of staff and volunteer efforts.
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Thank you Daffy for the reply, and the other directors for the hours you put in. The Board Minutes have definitely lengthened recently, and not just with compliance issues! As you hint, six elected directors spread across the UK trying to keep in touch is asking too much IMO. On the other hand, no one wants too many committees and meetings, if they serve little purpose. When you read the minutes of the Associations, you don't get the impression the director's time was wasted when they attended association meetings. Let's hope,
daffdy wrote:It's something that's likely to be revisited soon.
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maprun wrote:Thank you Daffy for the reply, and the other directors for the hours you put in. The Board Minutes have definitely lengthened recently, and not just with compliance issues! As you hint, six elected directors spread across the UK trying to keep in touch is asking too much IMO. On the other hand, no one wants too many committees and meetings, if they serve little purpose. When you read the minutes of the Associations, you don't get the impression the director's time was wasted when they attended association meetings. Let's hope,daffdy wrote:It's something that's likely to be revisited soon.
Thanks
In my experience, association meetings can be hit and miss. Sometimes you come away from them thinking it was really useful, sometimes... not so much. It seems that for them to be really effective, a lot of things need to line up - the director needs to be available, prepare properly, be made aware of the meeting in good time, be given a slot on the agenda, and receive meeting papers. Clubs/associations need to prepare their reps with whatever they need to bring up, and then get info and responses back to their clubs and/or concerned members.
That can be quite a lot to ask for!
Gross wrote:daffdy wrote:o who would you like to do the posting and writing of the articles - are you volunteering,
Wrong person to ask.... I've done my share.... Remember news of Jaime's firt WC win coming through to the JK at Rannoch by phone?
Wrong person to ask, that sounds like 2000 in which case I'd have been an age to be more interested in the string course theme than the international orienteering scene
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