Midland Championships Sun 28th Feb
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Re: Midland Championships Sun 28th Feb
Somewhat off-topic, but why do entries normally close at midnight? What do organisers do with their entry lists in the wee small hours that can't wait until (at least) a more civilized time the next morning?
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Re: Midland Championships Sun 28th Feb
Suspect that in some cases it might be something to do with the way Fabian4 is set up for entries and the 'roll-over' from one day to the next?
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Re: Midland Championships Sun 28th Feb
I think it is an issue that people have missed the closing date. Viewing the event as a business these are easy customers to reach and haven't been. Maybe the organisers have enough people - almost 1000, that's a lot of work.
The regional English championships (Southern/Midlands/Northern) have the effect of deterring clubs from a wide area from putting on a competing event, so it is important that there is good internal marketing, not just to target those who've been to previous such events, but to the newer orienteers who are potential long term customers of these events (and who might do something else this weekend other than orienteering).
Is this a question of ownership? Closing dates for the JK have been reasonably well publicised via the BO website which has RSS feeds onto many club websites. Competitions owned by a region or a club might have a co-ordinator who can organise marketing and create a bit of hype over a long time period. Perhaps we would be better off with separate championships (with age classes) for each region that can be marketed by the region, rather than national events that don't seem to be marketed nationally (or could they?)?
The regional English championships (Southern/Midlands/Northern) have the effect of deterring clubs from a wide area from putting on a competing event, so it is important that there is good internal marketing, not just to target those who've been to previous such events, but to the newer orienteers who are potential long term customers of these events (and who might do something else this weekend other than orienteering).
Is this a question of ownership? Closing dates for the JK have been reasonably well publicised via the BO website which has RSS feeds onto many club websites. Competitions owned by a region or a club might have a co-ordinator who can organise marketing and create a bit of hype over a long time period. Perhaps we would be better off with separate championships (with age classes) for each region that can be marketed by the region, rather than national events that don't seem to be marketed nationally (or could they?)?
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Re: Midland Championships Sun 28th Feb
All the Area Championships are part of the UK Orienteering League, so they should be marketed by British Orienteering along with the JK and British.
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Re: Midland Championships Sun 28th Feb
Presumably then promotion of area championships is done by the major events manager?
BOF are advertising that job as a maternity cover so that might explain things?
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/ ... 202016.pdf
That might make an interesting job for some nopesport readers. Maybe people who are part time, recently retired, just left uni? Maybe a jobshare? I'm sure it would be better to have someone with the right skills + motivation with an orienteering background than without.
BOF are advertising that job as a maternity cover so that might explain things?
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/ ... 202016.pdf
That might make an interesting job for some nopesport readers. Maybe people who are part time, recently retired, just left uni? Maybe a jobshare? I'm sure it would be better to have someone with the right skills + motivation with an orienteering background than without.
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Re: Midland Championships Sun 28th Feb
Amazed this lacking post code problem is still unresolved ~ it has been an open issue with the current BOF database solution ever since it was first "designed". And it would be so simple and easy to overcome if only the will had existed.
Why don't the design team programmers just set a default postcode value for each club when the event is first recorded on the database. They could populate a simple table of suitable postcodes from records that are already held for club officials or members. Then the search mechanisms will find all events that have been registered.
An accurate post code can then be recorded as soon as the club fixture secretary has a precise value to record for each event. Who cares if the distance calculated from home to event location is inaccurate ~ that will eventually be put right . But at least the event will not slip under the radar until it is too late.
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Why don't the design team programmers just set a default postcode value for each club when the event is first recorded on the database. They could populate a simple table of suitable postcodes from records that are already held for club officials or members. Then the search mechanisms will find all events that have been registered.
An accurate post code can then be recorded as soon as the club fixture secretary has a precise value to record for each event. Who cares if the distance calculated from home to event location is inaccurate ~ that will eventually be put right . But at least the event will not slip under the radar until it is too late.
One of my many failures when I was Regional Fixtures Secretary ~ getting BOF to accept suggestions
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Re: Midland Championships Sun 28th Feb
A few photos from today.
If you want any taken down please let me know.
If you wish to use for your club publication, that's OK.
https://goo.gl/photos/8gv6Zou45c3gYiB78
If you want any taken down please let me know.
If you wish to use for your club publication, that's OK.
https://goo.gl/photos/8gv6Zou45c3gYiB78
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Re: Midland Championships Sun 28th Feb
Really enjoyed the Midland Champs today. A very well organised event and enjoyable courses. Lovely weather and beautiful area. Thanks for the chocolate too!
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Re: Midland Championships Sun 28th Feb
I agree with Mrs H. Well done all at NOC. A good venue, close car parking (we were on overspill but not far off ), adequate facilities (toilets ), good weather ( for running) and a really nice forest....the whitest white I have run through in years. The planner for our course did a good job IMO in splitting two white areas with the contrasting heath running.
Sadly my navigation couldn't cope in parts, (probably lack of concentration at the speed I felt I had to run) and my legs and lungs started to give up towards the end of what was to be fair double my normal diet of green courses. Well done to those who managed to keep the pace going.
Interestingly...I noticed that the contours on the map are somewhat different to the ones on the old 2013 map???? One feature we had (a slight reentrant ) didn't even appear on the old map...lidar maybe?
Also couldn't leave without a slight moan ( it is nopesport ), not sure I like the mapping of dead oaks but not live ones , sometimes it was clear which was which but sometimes not and the sight of a prominant trunk slightly off line was a distraction. I suppose I shouldn't have tried to use them for navigation
Sadly my navigation couldn't cope in parts, (probably lack of concentration at the speed I felt I had to run) and my legs and lungs started to give up towards the end of what was to be fair double my normal diet of green courses. Well done to those who managed to keep the pace going.
Interestingly...I noticed that the contours on the map are somewhat different to the ones on the old 2013 map???? One feature we had (a slight reentrant ) didn't even appear on the old map...lidar maybe?
Also couldn't leave without a slight moan ( it is nopesport ), not sure I like the mapping of dead oaks but not live ones , sometimes it was clear which was which but sometimes not and the sight of a prominant trunk slightly off line was a distraction. I suppose I shouldn't have tried to use them for navigation
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Re: Midland Championships Sun 28th Feb
Really enjoyed ruuning in Sherwood Forest yesterday but agree that it should be an orienteering event "Not a botany lesson" ...
https://youtu.be/KbtVaTWs6II?t=1m2s
https://youtu.be/KbtVaTWs6II?t=1m2s
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Re: Midland Championships Sun 28th Feb
A few more photos here
https://www.flickr.com/photos/131070996@N08/albums/72157665063145121
https://www.flickr.com/photos/131070996@N08/albums/72157665063145121
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Re: Midland Championships Sun 28th Feb
johnrobinson wrote:I
Also couldn't leave without a slight moan ( it is nopesport ), not sure I like the mapping of dead oaks but not live ones , sometimes it was clear which was which but sometimes not and the sight of a prominant trunk slightly off line was a distraction. I suppose I shouldn't have tried to use them for navigation
I wasn't there but if people are really picking out dead trees and mapping them as individual trees shouldn't map group have picked this up a long time before the event?
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Re: Midland Championships Sun 28th Feb
Well to be fair, they were fairly impressive and distinctive. I did not have a problem with this because by the time I'd navigated to roughy the right place it was fairly obvious which was the tree I was looking for!
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Re: Midland Championships Sun 28th Feb
mykind wrote:johnrobinson wrote:I
Also couldn't leave without a slight moan ( it is nopesport ), not sure I like the mapping of dead oaks but not live ones , sometimes it was clear which was which but sometimes not and the sight of a prominant trunk slightly off line was a distraction. I suppose I shouldn't have tried to use them for navigation
I wasn't there but if people are really picking out dead trees and mapping them as individual trees shouldn't map group have picked this up a long time before the event?
The dead oak trees were very distinctive and it made perfect sense to map them as individual trees. The problem was that there were also some live oak trees which were equally distinctive, looked much like the dead oak trees, and were not mapped. It would have made more sense to map the live oak trees as well, but it is possible they were not allowed to. It says in the final details "No live oak trees are marked as separate distinct trees on the map – these just comprise the standard white forest. The live oak trees are conserved and are not used as control sites."
In practice it meant that you could not depend on a distinct tree being on the map unless it had a control on it.
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Re: Midland Championships Sun 28th Feb
If all the dead and alive oak trees were on the map, it would be very cluttered!
I found that some trees looked completely dead from one side, but because they had a live shoot coming from the base on the other side, were not mapped. There was a good example of this on the warm up map, so I was aware of this possibility. I'm pleased we had the warm up area maps to get a feel for the mapping.
I found that some trees looked completely dead from one side, but because they had a live shoot coming from the base on the other side, were not mapped. There was a good example of this on the warm up map, so I was aware of this possibility. I'm pleased we had the warm up area maps to get a feel for the mapping.
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