British Night Championship 2016
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British Night Championship 2016
Just a reminder that there is only 1 week left for entries to this years event as entries close 21st February. Entries are already above recent years.
- SteveE
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Re: British Night Championship 2016
Just a further reminder (for all of you who leave things to the last minute) BNC entries close tonight.
- SteveE
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Re: British Night Championship 2016
Be prepared for your selected course/class to be FULL, before the closing date/time
with no alternative offered !! Good work LEI !!
with no alternative offered !! Good work LEI !!
- MIE
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Re: British Night Championship 2016
Classes being full because there are 'to many' runners on another class is an absolute joke. Entry to a national championship shouldn't be first come first served.
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Dave - brown
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Re: British Night Championship 2016
Surely just a question of extending the start times a few extra minutes?
Indeed I don't think I've ever heard of a maximum at a British Champs, or if there was one ot should be advertised in advance!
Indeed I don't think I've ever heard of a maximum at a British Champs, or if there was one ot should be advertised in advance!
- Arnold
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Re: British Night Championship 2016
The British Night Championships is now "full" to all classes/courses.
No explanation from the organiser, either on here or in response
to a "personal" e-mail.
So it would appear that the British Night Championships, which is also a UKOL
event, can close enteries at any time, without notice, before the actual
closing date/time.
The event planner was even exhorting people to enter a mere 5.5 hours
ago. Come on Leicester O.C. tell us why!!
No explanation from the organiser, either on here or in response
to a "personal" e-mail.
So it would appear that the British Night Championships, which is also a UKOL
event, can close enteries at any time, without notice, before the actual
closing date/time.
The event planner was even exhorting people to enter a mere 5.5 hours
ago. Come on Leicester O.C. tell us why!!
- MIE
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Re: British Night Championship 2016
Courses closed? I thought the idea of pre-entries was so enough maps could be printed. Presumably there are sufficient possible start slots as courses close at 10pm. Sounds like the Closed BNC rather than the Open BNC.
- maprun
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Re: British Night Championship 2016
Has there been any comment by the organiser or controller on this? Or BOF rules group?
It doesn't affect me personally, but surely it should not be allowed to happen. It seems that LEI decided to put the closing date AFTER map printing, so they ran out of maps when lots of people entered on the last day. (Although surely printing some extras doesn't take very long?)
When what should happen is that the closing date is BEFORE map printing and then maps are printed off actual entries plus maybe spares for late entries (or not). If late entries run out, then fine, but anyone entering by the stated closing date must get a run, unless there was a clearly publicised limit in advance (say, for environmental reasons - although this shouldn't normally be the case at a British Champs). Or there could be a limit per course because of start slots (like at JK Elite), but again this should be publicised in advance and entrants should still get a run on a lower course.
If necessary the rules should be changed to make sure this doesn't happen again.
It doesn't affect me personally, but surely it should not be allowed to happen. It seems that LEI decided to put the closing date AFTER map printing, so they ran out of maps when lots of people entered on the last day. (Although surely printing some extras doesn't take very long?)
When what should happen is that the closing date is BEFORE map printing and then maps are printed off actual entries plus maybe spares for late entries (or not). If late entries run out, then fine, but anyone entering by the stated closing date must get a run, unless there was a clearly publicised limit in advance (say, for environmental reasons - although this shouldn't normally be the case at a British Champs). Or there could be a limit per course because of start slots (like at JK Elite), but again this should be publicised in advance and entrants should still get a run on a lower course.
If necessary the rules should be changed to make sure this doesn't happen again.
- Arnold
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Re: British Night Championship 2016
Sadly, this hasn't existed for some years now ...Or BOF rules group?
- DJM
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Re: British Night Championship 2016
The rules don't need to be changed as they already cater for how oversubscribed Elite/Long courses at a Championship should be handled. Doesn't mean the rules were followed in this case of course....
Although I guess saying "entries close on the XX date" (with no time specified) does not necessarily have to mean that entries will remain open all through that day right up until midnight....duly noted to beware that for future!
Although I guess saying "entries close on the XX date" (with no time specified) does not necessarily have to mean that entries will remain open all through that day right up until midnight....duly noted to beware that for future!
Why did I do that...
- Jon X
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Re: British Night Championship 2016
No time specified...that's just pants. When it says 21 February then that means 23:59 unless otherwise noted.
The rules may deal with oversubscribed courses but they weren't followed - you should still let people enter and at the end "downgrade" some after the closing date if necessary. And anyway the reason for "oversubscription" seems to be that maps were printed too early, which is not a valid excuse.
Come on people, this should not have happened so the least we can do is to stop it from happening again.
The rules may deal with oversubscribed courses but they weren't followed - you should still let people enter and at the end "downgrade" some after the closing date if necessary. And anyway the reason for "oversubscription" seems to be that maps were printed too early, which is not a valid excuse.
Come on people, this should not have happened so the least we can do is to stop it from happening again.
- Arnold
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Re: British Night Championship 2016
Here is the first bit from the rules:
Then it goes on to explain how to split classes if necessary, or downgrade people to L/B, if absolutely necessary.
So here is a question: as the rules were clearly not followed, can refused (potential) competitors not put in a formal protest to either be added to the entries, or else have the course voided? There's plenty of provision in the rules for protests...
The number of places available in a class should be as large as possible, subject to the spread of start times and the nature of the terrain. However, the situation may arise where the number of entrants to a particular class is larger than the number of places available: this is when selection will occur. In practice, this occurs only for the Elite classes. The sections below only apply in extreme situations
Then it goes on to explain how to split classes if necessary, or downgrade people to L/B, if absolutely necessary.
So here is a question: as the rules were clearly not followed, can refused (potential) competitors not put in a formal protest to either be added to the entries, or else have the course voided? There's plenty of provision in the rules for protests...
- Arnold
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Re: British Night Championship 2016
maprun wrote:Courses closed? I thought the idea of pre-entries was so enough maps could be printed. Presumably there are sufficient possible start slots as courses close at 10pm. Sounds like the Closed BNC rather than the Open BNC.
It clearly says on the details:
Entries close: Sunday 21st February
So I cannot see what your issue is?
Entries have to close at some time, 6 days seems reasonable with turn around to print maps etc for a major event.
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LostAgain - diehard
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Re: British Night Championship 2016
I’ve had a bit of frustration with this event.
My son and his girlfriend’s entries were delayed because they were struggling to see how to enter as students. Eventually they write to the organiser to be told that there is no student rate (despite that BO AGM resolution that students should only pay the junior rate). I write to BO on their behalf, but there’s no reply until after the closing date. So of course I end up agreeing to pay their entry fees, otherwise they can’t afford it.
Twenty four hours later I discover that the M/W21 courses they wanted to enter were full and that I’ve just wasted £27 on two non-competitive runs.
A grand total of eleven W21’s have been able to compete in the correct class at the British Night Orienteering Championships. All very disappointing.
My son and his girlfriend’s entries were delayed because they were struggling to see how to enter as students. Eventually they write to the organiser to be told that there is no student rate (despite that BO AGM resolution that students should only pay the junior rate). I write to BO on their behalf, but there’s no reply until after the closing date. So of course I end up agreeing to pay their entry fees, otherwise they can’t afford it.
Twenty four hours later I discover that the M/W21 courses they wanted to enter were full and that I’ve just wasted £27 on two non-competitive runs.
A grand total of eleven W21’s have been able to compete in the correct class at the British Night Orienteering Championships. All very disappointing.
- RobL
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Re: British Night Championship 2016
@LostAgain the issue is that many courses closed before Sunday or during Sunday when they were "full" (which doesn't normally happen at a British Champs).
So some people who wanted to enter within the (clearly stated) closing date couldn't.
It seems that 6 days was too short a closing date so the map numbers were agreed before the closing date.
So some people who wanted to enter within the (clearly stated) closing date couldn't.
It seems that 6 days was too short a closing date so the map numbers were agreed before the closing date.
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