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Re: WMOC 2017
Unlikely to go due to it being part of the World Games (= added bureaucracy, less flexibility and greatly increased cost).
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Re: WMOC 2017
none of which is true
but it does clash with JK and BOC/BRC
but it does clash with JK and BOC/BRC
- The Loofa
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Re: WMOC 2017
Seems to be £41 more to enter WMOC17 than 16 in Estonia - this is 43%
You can pay £46 more and get transport included in 17. In 16 it is £32.
Costs for WMG+WMOCs are generally more. Both the IOF and WMG want their cut. But the IOF seems normally to deal with each WMOC a little differently, certainly in recent years (eg BRA, ITA), and what IOF have taken has varied, subject to prior negotiation.
Having spoken with some of the organisers of 2017, they have already had problems with dealing with WMG. This doesnt mean they are insurmountable, but adds time and stress to the organisation. WMG are often geared up to supporting sports with fixed arenas. It can be hard to inform experienced 'sports event' organisers of some of the more unique needs of O events.
I think BigJons comments are valid with some truth behind them.
However it does not clash with the 50th* JK next year which is the weekend before. So you can fly Sunday night and miss the relays or Monday after the relays and easily make it. But you might be jetlagged. Plus, Oceania will be over Easter which might be worth missing the JK for.
The final weekend of WMOC 2017 clashes with BOC and TioMila in Gotheburg infact.
*Due to Foot and Mouth in 2001, JK 2016 is the 49th JK and we are celebrating 50 years of the JK.
You can pay £46 more and get transport included in 17. In 16 it is £32.
Costs for WMG+WMOCs are generally more. Both the IOF and WMG want their cut. But the IOF seems normally to deal with each WMOC a little differently, certainly in recent years (eg BRA, ITA), and what IOF have taken has varied, subject to prior negotiation.
Having spoken with some of the organisers of 2017, they have already had problems with dealing with WMG. This doesnt mean they are insurmountable, but adds time and stress to the organisation. WMG are often geared up to supporting sports with fixed arenas. It can be hard to inform experienced 'sports event' organisers of some of the more unique needs of O events.
I think BigJons comments are valid with some truth behind them.
However it does not clash with the 50th* JK next year which is the weekend before. So you can fly Sunday night and miss the relays or Monday after the relays and easily make it. But you might be jetlagged. Plus, Oceania will be over Easter which might be worth missing the JK for.
The final weekend of WMOC 2017 clashes with BOC and TioMila in Gotheburg infact.
*Due to Foot and Mouth in 2001, JK 2016 is the 49th JK and we are celebrating 50 years of the JK.
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Re: WMOC 2017
Ravinous wrote:Seems to be £41 more to enter WMOC17 than 16 in Estonia - this is 43%
Estonia is a somewhat cheaper country...
Against which, Estonia were awarded WMOC as part of the deal for them to host WOC. The expectation is that WMOC makes a hefty profit to offset the loss on WOC, so WMOC16 entry is about five times what you could be paying for a week of Baltic O-fun in Latvia.
WMOC participants can form their own view whether this is "supporting elite orienteering" or "getting ripped off".
And in the first of a series of JOK Chasing sprint-related porcine punnage, I notice Latvia don't get their snouts in the WMOC trough until 2019.
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Re: WMOC 2017
Ravinous wrote:The final weekend of WMOC 2017 clashes with BOC and TioMila in Gotheburg infact.
British Orienteering Fixtures says BOC 2017 is on 6th May and JK 2017 is 14th-17th April. WMOC 2017 is 21-30 April.
Like you I thought there was a clash, but something seems to have changed. So if it is worth going to New Zealand for just WMOC plus a few days either side, you can do all three comfortably.
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Well done to Mike Cope / Fixtures / LOC for shifting BOC 2017 back a weekend. I know many will not want to miss out on High Dam and Summerhouse Knott.
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Re: WMOC 2017
BigJon is absolutely right. I will definitely not be going been to 4 WMG and every time there has been intrusive beaurocracy and waste. The organisers usually seem to have a never again attitude.
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What strikes me as odd, is the quote in the details that states, "WMG2017 will collect an additional surcharge of NZD$69 for each Orienteering athlete as part of the rights to host the WMOC". This means presumably that IOF have taken a formal decision to be part of the WMG (which I would not have noticed!!) and therefore cost us as competitors a large amount of money!!
Furthermore, surely if WMG want orienteering as one of their "sports" shouldn't they pay IOF for the privilege rather than the other way around
Will all IOF National Federations have to pay an enormous surcharge if orienteering ever gets in the Olympics??
Furthermore, surely if WMG want orienteering as one of their "sports" shouldn't they pay IOF for the privilege rather than the other way around
Will all IOF National Federations have to pay an enormous surcharge if orienteering ever gets in the Olympics??
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Re: WMOC 2017
NickC wrote:What strikes me as odd, is the quote in the details that states, "WMG2017 will collect an additional surcharge of NZD$69 for each Orienteering athlete as part of the rights to host the WMOC". This means presumably that IOF have taken a formal decision to be part of the WMG (which I would not have noticed!!) and therefore cost us as competitors a large amount of money!!
Furthermore, surely if WMG want orienteering as one of their "sports" shouldn't they pay IOF for the privilege rather than the other way around
Will all IOF National Federations have to pay an enormous surcharge if orienteering ever gets in the Olympics??
You presume correctly the IOF decided that inclusion of O in WMG would help their attempt to get O into the Olympics.
WMG is a commercial organization that sucks money from sports and would never consider paying a governing body.
Unlikely to ever happen but maybe Ski-O in the winter Olympics...
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Re: WMOC 2017
The New Zealand O community could always just organise WMOC at the same time as WMG but separately from it. Save all orienteers the WMG surcharge and get into the same forests and same courses.
WMG needs O more than O needs WMG.
WMG needs O more than O needs WMG.
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madmike wrote:
You presume correctly the IOF decided that inclusion of O in WMG would help their attempt to get O into the Olympics.
WMG is a commercial organization that sucks money from sports and would never consider paying a governing body.
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But why are the IOF 'stiffing' competitors for an extra NZD$69?
Looking at WMG website I can't see any extra surcharges for the other sports -( some of which, aren't 'Olympic' sports - Surf Life Saving, softball, touch, baseball, lawn bowls)
Why is Orienteering the odd one out?
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Re: WMOC 2017
madmike wrote:You presume correctly the IOF decided that inclusion of O in WMG would help their attempt to get O into the Olympics.
WMOC is great but the idea that it in any way might contribute to getting Orienteering into the Olympics is delusional, to put it politely
denbydale wrote:Why is Orienteering the odd one out?
AFAICS, Orienteering is the only sport whose governing body has decided (repeatedly) to badge the WMG competition as that year's World Masters Championships - nothing wrong with having orienteering at the WMG, just as there's athletics, swimming, cycling etc, but for none of those sports does the WMG also function as the World Masters Championships.
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Absolutely spot on Greywolf.
Even more ludicrous if the NZers have the same advertising as last time in the Antipodes that the WMG was all about a bit of fun and healthy activity for old age. Utter bemusement from other sports that ours was a world champs. Where that fits into the Olympic credentials I cannot imagine.
It annoys me that IOF openly stuffs older competitors, but bemuses me that they continue to belive that there is any vakid reason to do so.
I strongly recommend people to boycot the WMG.
Even more ludicrous if the NZers have the same advertising as last time in the Antipodes that the WMG was all about a bit of fun and healthy activity for old age. Utter bemusement from other sports that ours was a world champs. Where that fits into the Olympic credentials I cannot imagine.
It annoys me that IOF openly stuffs older competitors, but bemuses me that they continue to belive that there is any vakid reason to do so.
I strongly recommend people to boycot the WMG.
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I seem to remember DJM when Chairman of the IOF Foot O committee made a strong recommendation to IOF that World Masters should NOT be linked to WMG for all the reasons above. Was that after the debacle in Sydney which was a nightmare caused by WMG organisers.
IOF ignored the recommendation.
IOF ignored the recommendation.
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