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UK Sport and Coe
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Re: UK Sport and Coe
Why did UK Sport spend £63 000 on Lord Coe's bid?
'to promote the UK’s sporting interests internationally'
aka cover up sketchy blood data by high profile British athletes, who do not need investigating because according to Seb we all 'know they are clean'.
'to promote the UK’s sporting interests internationally'
aka cover up sketchy blood data by high profile British athletes, who do not need investigating because according to Seb we all 'know they are clean'.
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Re: UK Sport and Coe
About time Coe resigned from either Nike or the IAAF - but I bet he doesn't
he's been a politician so not many scruples
he's been a politician so not many scruples
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Re: UK Sport and Coe
Well he has resigned from Nike now.....
but I'm more concerned over Gothenburg missing out on the World Athletics Championships to Eugene (Nike), a decision rushed through in a meeting in April, without the bidding process that Gothenburg had been promised,
I mentioned this to Paula Radcliffe last week, she understands the mistrust after recent events but really thought it was pushed through as Eugenes bid failed in 2019, they put on a good junior worlds and that IAAf desperately want athletics to take off in America. Obviously she knows the people at the top of Nike and doesn't think its the corporate monster its often made out to be. I hope Paula's right but you've got to have doubts.
but I'm more concerned over Gothenburg missing out on the World Athletics Championships to Eugene (Nike), a decision rushed through in a meeting in April, without the bidding process that Gothenburg had been promised,
I mentioned this to Paula Radcliffe last week, she understands the mistrust after recent events but really thought it was pushed through as Eugenes bid failed in 2019, they put on a good junior worlds and that IAAf desperately want athletics to take off in America. Obviously she knows the people at the top of Nike and doesn't think its the corporate monster its often made out to be. I hope Paula's right but you've got to have doubts.
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Re: UK Sport and Coe
denbydale wrote:About time Coe resigned from either Nike or the IAAF - but I bet he doesn't
he's been a politician so not many scruples
DIDSCO wrote:Well he has resigned from Nike now...
IAAF to follow one suspects given his performance so far. Not a fan.
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Re: UK Sport and Coe
DIDSCO wrote:I mentioned this to Paula Radcliffe last week
I love how you just slip that in there like it's a common occurance for you Dids...
Personally I hope he sticks at the IAAF role and is allowed to move on from this, I think he is a good ambassador for the sport, and I'd like to believe he's an honest guy who's just not thought the two roles through early enough.
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plain lazy wrote:DIDSCO wrote:I mentioned this to Paula Radcliffe last week
I love how you just slip that in there like it's a common occurance for you Dids...
Personally I hope he sticks at the IAAF role and is allowed to move on from this, I think he is a good ambassador for the sport, and I'd like to believe he's an honest guy who's just not thought the two roles through early enough.
Hmm, a Tory politician, honest. Not two words I'd normally combine except in jest
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plain lazy wrote:DIDSCO wrote:I mentioned this to Paula Radcliffe last week
I love how you just slip that in there like it's a common occurance for you Dids...
Personally I hope he sticks at the IAAF role and is allowed to move on from this, I think he is a good ambassador for the sport, and I'd like to believe he's an honest guy who's just not thought the two roles through early enough.
It would obviously be wrong if the IAAF was headed up by anyone found guilty of accepting bribes or any connection with doping. If you also excluded anyone who'd had a role in an organisation that might give rise to a conflict of interest, I doubt there'd be many left with the necessary skills to run the sport.
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Re: UK Sport and Coe
Plain lazy > not a big deal, trained on the track and in the gym with Gary (Paula's husband) and Paula at Loughborough back in the 90's.......mentioned it partly as I got the feeling Harry was applying she's doped, which as anyone who's ever trained with her knows is total rubbish.
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I've trained with decent athletes, even world champions. I'd no idea whether they doped. How do you even tell?
Maybe you are better at reading people than me. Books I can do: when I read Lance Armstrong's book, it seemed pretty obvious he was doping and I'm still astonished so few other people came to that conclusion*. Personally, after the way the IAAF behaved in Edmonton, I wouldn't care if Radcliffe was doping to even things up. But here's what Radcliffe says in her book** ...
http://www.paularadcliffe.com/serialisa ... he-cheats/
I can see its difficult for athletes when "X is a doper" sells newspapers and "X isn't a doper isn't", and when "X's sample is 99% likely to indicate doping" is so much easier to understand than "If you give 1000 samples, you'll have some 99% outliers in there". Reading up on the facts is just boring...
http://sportsscientists.com/2015/09/pau ... nsparency/
...especially when the result is inconclusive.
So, maybe its best to just say "I went running with her 25 years ago so she must be clean"
* Because cycling was awash with drugs at the time, and the critical chapter on "How I said no when I was offered drugs" was missing. In what I've read, the only person who ever wrote convincingly and believably about that was Graeme Obree.
** Which, surprisingly, isn't as good a read as either Armstrong's or Coe's.
Maybe you are better at reading people than me. Books I can do: when I read Lance Armstrong's book, it seemed pretty obvious he was doping and I'm still astonished so few other people came to that conclusion*. Personally, after the way the IAAF behaved in Edmonton, I wouldn't care if Radcliffe was doping to even things up. But here's what Radcliffe says in her book** ...
http://www.paularadcliffe.com/serialisa ... he-cheats/
I can see its difficult for athletes when "X is a doper" sells newspapers and "X isn't a doper isn't", and when "X's sample is 99% likely to indicate doping" is so much easier to understand than "If you give 1000 samples, you'll have some 99% outliers in there". Reading up on the facts is just boring...
http://sportsscientists.com/2015/09/pau ... nsparency/
...especially when the result is inconclusive.
So, maybe its best to just say "I went running with her 25 years ago so she must be clean"
* Because cycling was awash with drugs at the time, and the critical chapter on "How I said no when I was offered drugs" was missing. In what I've read, the only person who ever wrote convincingly and believably about that was Graeme Obree.
** Which, surprisingly, isn't as good a read as either Armstrong's or Coe's.
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Re: UK Sport and Coe
Graeme >don't agree, its got nothing to do with being better at reading people or training with them and judging them on their personality.
I'm so sure that Paula isn't doped as week in week out almost 10 years before she ran that 2.15 marathon, she was consistently stronger and faster in the training sessions than plenty of men that went on to run sub 2.20 marathons. So not really much of a surprise the times she went on to run considering she was fully professional.
I'm so sure that Paula isn't doped as week in week out almost 10 years before she ran that 2.15 marathon, she was consistently stronger and faster in the training sessions than plenty of men that went on to run sub 2.20 marathons. So not really much of a surprise the times she went on to run considering she was fully professional.
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Re: UK Sport and Coe
Dids: That's a very odd analysis. Try this...
Convinced?
In-competition testing in athletics is pretty robust and anyone who goes into a big race doped is going to get caught. That was even true with Ben Johnson in '88. The focus is on out of competition doping, which enables athletes to train longer, and harder. Johnson had a well regimented doping programme and was never caught for the steroids he took under proper supervision.
No amount of doping will let you run a 2:15 marathon without also putting in the hard miles and burning off the 2:20 guys in training. All the world record holders, Radcliffe, Wang Jun Xia, Dibaba etc. did these types of awe-inspiring sessions and it tells you precisely nothing about whether they were doping.
By contrast, Radcliffe's EPO off-scores tell you almost nothing.
I'm so sure that Wang junxia wasn't doped as week in week out almost 10 years before she ran that 29:30 10k, she was consistently stronger and faster in the training sessions than plenty of men that ran slower than she did in races. So not really much of a surprise the times she went on to run considering she was fully professional.
Convinced?
In-competition testing in athletics is pretty robust and anyone who goes into a big race doped is going to get caught. That was even true with Ben Johnson in '88. The focus is on out of competition doping, which enables athletes to train longer, and harder. Johnson had a well regimented doping programme and was never caught for the steroids he took under proper supervision.
No amount of doping will let you run a 2:15 marathon without also putting in the hard miles and burning off the 2:20 guys in training. All the world record holders, Radcliffe, Wang Jun Xia, Dibaba etc. did these types of awe-inspiring sessions and it tells you precisely nothing about whether they were doping.
By contrast, Radcliffe's EPO off-scores tell you almost nothing.
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Re: UK Sport and Coe
I'm quite concerned by the IAAF's announcement that Radcliffe is "entirely innocent", personally I prefer the term "not guilty"
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Re: UK Sport and Coe
It's professional sports man! Wake up!
They're not bad people, they're doing a job & playing the game.
Deny deny deny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orn94KTWwnw
They're not bad people, they're doing a job & playing the game.
Deny deny deny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orn94KTWwnw
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Re: UK Sport and Coe
You make no sense Graeme, maybe your minds still suffering from planning such a poorly placed control at WOC this year? who knows? Although I've actually met Wang I've no idea how good a runner she was prior to winning World Juniors then Olympics so wouldn't like to comment on what she would or not be realistically be capable of running.....my point is that Paula displayed early on before fame and fortune that she was capable of running such times in the marathon, she doesn't need to dope to run those times,and she's one of the few athletes thats actually come out time and time again about the need for tougher doping measures and punishments.
Harry > I don't understand your witch hunt over Paula Radcliffe. You have no actual evidence that she's doped. Maybe your jealous as she can run a marathon 1 hour faster than you,....which is the same as her watching almost 3 episodes of Eastenders before you reach the finish! There's a lot of doping in professional sport, but you're being naive thinking everybody's at it.
Harry > I don't understand your witch hunt over Paula Radcliffe. You have no actual evidence that she's doped. Maybe your jealous as she can run a marathon 1 hour faster than you,....which is the same as her watching almost 3 episodes of Eastenders before you reach the finish! There's a lot of doping in professional sport, but you're being naive thinking everybody's at it.
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