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Anyone else think it's a shame we can only get 1 man to World Cup events in Switzerland ?
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Re: World Cup
Flights, travel within Switzerland, accommodation, entries, food all add up pretty quickly in the most expensive country in Europe. It has already been a very expensive season and we are not at the funding levels of 10 years ago unfortunately!
I can't speak for all, and British Orienteering did fantastically to fully fund WOC, but I am not spending another £400+ for 3 days in Switzerland and I am sure others think the same.
Got to start saving for EOC and WOC and selection races in Sweden next year now...
But yes, it is a shame
I can't speak for all, and British Orienteering did fantastically to fully fund WOC, but I am not spending another £400+ for 3 days in Switzerland and I am sure others think the same.
Got to start saving for EOC and WOC and selection races in Sweden next year now...
But yes, it is a shame
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Re: World Cup
It does seem crazy that within BOF budget we can't find another £400 to fund gg going to the World Cup. Or £4000 for 10 athletes to go.
Are we setting the right priorities here? How much does the magazine cost per year? The commercial manager? Covering expenses to travel to IOF or BOF conferences? etc.
It's one thing not funding lavish(?) training camps, but quite another not sending a team to the World Cup finals.
Are we setting the right priorities here? How much does the magazine cost per year? The commercial manager? Covering expenses to travel to IOF or BOF conferences? etc.
It's one thing not funding lavish(?) training camps, but quite another not sending a team to the World Cup finals.
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Re: World Cup
BO haven't had their priorities right for years.
It should be seen as a top priority to support & field teams at Internationals.
The Board know that the membership strongly support this yet every year this budget is embarrassingly underfunded.
I'd be happy to see my membership fee or my event levy fee going up marginally if there was a guarantee it would be ring-fenced monies to support the elite.
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It should be seen as a top priority to support & field teams at Internationals.
The Board know that the membership strongly support this yet every year this budget is embarrassingly underfunded.
I'd be happy to see my membership fee or my event levy fee going up marginally if there was a guarantee it would be ring-fenced monies to support the elite.
What do you all think? DON'T JUST VIEW AND LEAVE NO COMMENT!!!!
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Re: World Cup
We are consistently told that Autumn is outside the racing season and major events at this time of year are of no interest. They can't have it both ways.
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Re: World Cup
British orienteering has money from sport England. Not a penny of that cash is allowed to be spent on performance athletes - it is to be used for developing athletes only. So British Orienteering's non-sport England cash has to go into this sort of thing, and there is not loads of that to go around, especially after a big woc team this year.
British orienteering also have to account to the areas of their membership who seem to be vehemently against elite orienteering (that BO vision doc seemed to show two very polarised of the funding of elite orienteering). I wouldn't line trying to cater to both.
If an athlete has a job, the decision whether to attend any trips depends on how much more holiday they want to commit to orienteering, or whether a non-orienteering break would be a more efficient way of recharging batteries. It's not just the cost of the trip too, it's the hassle of finding and booking flights and accomodation and hire cars and entries that is draining.
And the time if year is a big factor. Other nations have just had their national champs so the athletes are on form. In Britain most of us are coming to the end of our post-WOC idleness period - or some of us are still post-WOC injured . An expensive international competition is not very appealing.
British orienteering also have to account to the areas of their membership who seem to be vehemently against elite orienteering (that BO vision doc seemed to show two very polarised of the funding of elite orienteering). I wouldn't line trying to cater to both.
If an athlete has a job, the decision whether to attend any trips depends on how much more holiday they want to commit to orienteering, or whether a non-orienteering break would be a more efficient way of recharging batteries. It's not just the cost of the trip too, it's the hassle of finding and booking flights and accomodation and hire cars and entries that is draining.
And the time if year is a big factor. Other nations have just had their national champs so the athletes are on form. In Britain most of us are coming to the end of our post-WOC idleness period - or some of us are still post-WOC injured . An expensive international competition is not very appealing.
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Re: World Cup
Lard wrote:BO haven't had their priorities right for years.
It should be seen as a top priority to support & field teams at Internationals.
The Board know that the membership strongly support this yet every year this budget is embarrassingly underfunded.
There is also a proportion of the membership, including some regional association committees, who are strongly opposed to any funding at all for adult elite/international orienteering ("performance", in sports council speak). I have no idea which proportion of the membership is greater, and short of someone bringing a sensibly worded AGM motion I don't expect we'll ever find out.
Last year about 10% of the expenditure from BOF's own funds - i.e. excluding the ring-fenced grant funding, which can't be used for performance anyway - was on the performance programme, excluding anything spent on paying the coaching staff. I wouldn't be surprised if the proportion was greater this year as I believe there were plans to spend a bit more in preparation for the home WOC.
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Re: World Cup
I share your dream tho Jase. Fully funded full teams at all internationals and 20 weeks of fully paid for training camps a year would be amazing!!!
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Re: World Cup
When it comes to the other O discipline (MTBO, SkiO, TrailO) its even harder to fund.
For example, for WTOC 2015 in Croatia this year, the official TrailO budget barely covered entry fees & accreditation, which means that anyone selected for the team, and the Team Manager, ended up paying for for everything else - travel, accommodation, food (including the official banquet - not included in entry fees).
For any visits to the European Cup in TrailO events (ECTO), competitors were entirely self-funding.
For example, for WTOC 2015 in Croatia this year, the official TrailO budget barely covered entry fees & accreditation, which means that anyone selected for the team, and the Team Manager, ended up paying for for everything else - travel, accommodation, food (including the official banquet - not included in entry fees).
For any visits to the European Cup in TrailO events (ECTO), competitors were entirely self-funding.
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Re: World Cup
MTBO is entirely self funded. We don't even get entry fees or accreditation paid. TrailO and FootO should count themselves lucky on that front! This year, our Worlds entry and accreditation was 315euro, and the whole trip ran well over 1000 euro per person.
I set my year plan around the World Cup rounds and a pre-season camp. I'll go to other races if they are close by or a week long competition if they are in World Champs relevant terrain. Short weekends away aren't worth the lost training sessions or risk of illness.
Did I read somewhere the Danes (?) only funded their best athletes at major races?
I set my year plan around the World Cup rounds and a pre-season camp. I'll go to other races if they are close by or a week long competition if they are in World Champs relevant terrain. Short weekends away aren't worth the lost training sessions or risk of illness.
Did I read somewhere the Danes (?) only funded their best athletes at major races?
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Re: World Cup
http://news.worldofo.com/2015/08/25/ins ... -woc-2015/
So, let's cut the GB squad to half a dozen people and move them all to Matlock.
Lindstrøm highlights two decision points which in his opinion are crucial for the Danish success today. The first is the drastic change in the structure of the national team in 2009.
– We decided that we would only support athletes who we believed had the potential to become World Champions. Other athletes were no longer supported by the national team.
Today all national team members are required to live and train at the elite center in Århus,
So, let's cut the GB squad to half a dozen people and move them all to Matlock.
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Re: World Cup
Pleasant as the White Peak is (and the nearby Dark Peak and eastern edges and moors) somehow I doubt Matlock would be the best location.
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Re: World Cup
At least they'd become proficient at running through 'rough stuff' on Crich Chase, and knee-deep mud and brambles at Shining Cliff.
At least Stanton Moor is just up the hill and OK.
At least Stanton Moor is just up the hill and OK.
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Re: World Cup
They could always stay at the BOF Centre in the Lakes which was specifically built for BOF using the 'ringfenced' profits from WOC 1976
Ohhhh.... that was a dream, BOF spent the money on something else... probably keeping someone in a non-orienteering job for a while
Ohhhh.... that was a dream, BOF spent the money on something else... probably keeping someone in a non-orienteering job for a while
Go orienteering in Lithuania......... best in the world:)
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Re: World Cup
I doubt anyone would have picked Aarhus as the "best location" for developing world champions either, although admittedly it may be as good as anywhere in Denmark. To quote Lindstrøm again:I doubt Matlock would be the best location
I think a lot of countries, particularly those with tight budgets, will be looking to learn from the Danish achievement. They may have taken better advantage than others of the (relatively lax) urban embargo rules, but they delivered in the forest as well.If you would have asked me in 2009, I would have said that you needed to live in Sweden, Norway or Finland in order to become World Champion in orienteering. Now the answer would be No! The training environment is more important than the terrain availability.
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