WOC overall view
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Re: WOC overall view
In that case: how about a Long-O instead with the assembly at Mar Lodge? Though that may turn into a night-O for some of the classes
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Rosine wrote:In that case: how about a Long-O instead with the assembly at Mar Lodge? Though that may turn into a night-O for some of the classes
One for the "rest" day perhaps???
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Big Jon wrote:I doubt Deeside 2017 will have a sprint race as one day - we don't have the towns and those we have are very small - we'd struggle to get 4000 people round any of them safely!
Maybe 2019???
Weellll if the 6 days ever makes it back down to the SW, it might be a bit tricky finding 6 nice forests so practicalities might kick in and a sprint might just do it.
You only have to look at the numbers heading to London, Barcelona, Porto etc to see that sprint/urban has a big appeal for travelling O folk.
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You assumed right Andypat. I definitely meant the sprint race at Forres on the rest day. Sorry I didn't make it clear.
Just read Big Jon's comment on 2017. Perhaps I won't bother with Royal Deeside and 6 forest days
Just read Big Jon's comment on 2017. Perhaps I won't bother with Royal Deeside and 6 forest days
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I have to agree and disagree with some of the things that have been said so far here. I was the planner and organiser (assisted by members of my family) of the "rest-day" sprint in 2007. We tried to encourage people to pre-enter but were completely overwhelmed by the number of people turning up on the day. If I remember correctly we were up well over 400 that day. The fact that we were a very limited number of people involved in putting on the event meant that we were worked to the limit so I have every sympathy with andypat's comments about the Forres rest day sprint.
In all honesty I cannot see it being possible to include a sprint/urban event as an official stage in the S6D (unless, maybe, it is in parkland). 3500+ people running in an urban environment is, in my opinion, a little bit of a non-starter given the small communities that we usually frequent but even in larger communities.
Twenty or so members of my Swedish club came to this year's S6D to run in the forests. A good number of them were encouraged to attend because, unlike the O-ringen, you do not have to run all the days to get a competitive run (except in the elite classes). This was the most important factor for them. Many planned their week around this and the ability to go off and do something else on the other days. They have absolutely no interest whatsoever in doing sprint races and didn't go anywhere near either the WOC or rest-day sprints.
In all honesty I cannot see it being possible to include a sprint/urban event as an official stage in the S6D (unless, maybe, it is in parkland). 3500+ people running in an urban environment is, in my opinion, a little bit of a non-starter given the small communities that we usually frequent but even in larger communities.
Twenty or so members of my Swedish club came to this year's S6D to run in the forests. A good number of them were encouraged to attend because, unlike the O-ringen, you do not have to run all the days to get a competitive run (except in the elite classes). This was the most important factor for them. Many planned their week around this and the ability to go off and do something else on the other days. They have absolutely no interest whatsoever in doing sprint races and didn't go anywhere near either the WOC or rest-day sprints.
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I'm a big fan of the S6D sprint. Back in 2003 I elbowed it into the programme, planned and organised it from the 2015 WOC arena. It's the best innovation the 6-day has come up with in 20 years.
Urban racing is the best and fastest growing innovation in the sport in the last ten years.
So the six-day company needs to recognise these innovations and support them. Then, when the S6D comes around, it needs to do what it does best and provide the six days of classic forest orienteering that have brought the punters flooding in.
Urban racing is the best and fastest growing innovation in the sport in the last ten years.
So the six-day company needs to recognise these innovations and support them. Then, when the S6D comes around, it needs to do what it does best and provide the six days of classic forest orienteering that have brought the punters flooding in.
So just have a day at "West Guisachen" - worked for meSF wrote:I'd definitely advocate a proper rest day with absolutely no orienteering of any kind whatsoever.
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Really impressed with the online coverage of WOC - great to have maps available immediately at the start and the website was well organised to link to all relevant information, particularly compared with previous WOCs which have had information scattered across multiple sites. The IOF video coverage was worth paying for with good quality full screen video. Shame the WiFi in the arena was flaky but the big screen, sales of course maps and the great atmosphere made up for it. This really contributed to a very good event.
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graeme wrote: So just have a day at "West Guisachen" - worked for me
Affric South surely
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Several threads to choose but this seems to be the one to say I thought WOC was brilliant. Thankyou all those involved, and if I pick out the design, mapping, planning and controlling it is only because that it is base on which everything else relies.
It was a pleasure to be around the competition and in particular in the arenas whilst the races were in progress. There was great atmosphere in the shared experience of watching; the coverage on the big screen was splendid and the commentary informative. I thought the locations showed some of the unique charm of Scotland, whether it was the shores of the Moray Firth, the historic house/castle, or the "last wilderness" of Glen Affric.
(Isn't it great to see the landscape shots that open the Sweden TV coverage of the Classic?)
The competition arrangements, which I think onerous and hard to do well, seemed excellent, and produced worthy medallists all round.
And also really nice to see British athletes doing well.
It was a pleasure to be around the competition and in particular in the arenas whilst the races were in progress. There was great atmosphere in the shared experience of watching; the coverage on the big screen was splendid and the commentary informative. I thought the locations showed some of the unique charm of Scotland, whether it was the shores of the Moray Firth, the historic house/castle, or the "last wilderness" of Glen Affric.
(Isn't it great to see the landscape shots that open the Sweden TV coverage of the Classic?)
The competition arrangements, which I think onerous and hard to do well, seemed excellent, and produced worthy medallists all round.
And also really nice to see British athletes doing well.
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I agree that the 6 day "rest day" sprint is chaotic for those running it at the moment. I organised the 2009 sprint which wasn't urban but was round Scone Castle grounds. We had some pre-entries but huge numbers of EOD and several club members felt they really needed a restful rest day as manning info stands etc for days on end was more than enough for a smallish club. The race went well but largely thanks to the 6 day IT team and various helpers from non-Scottish clubs.
Having it as a proper race on one of the 6 days with clubs allocated to it and mainly pre-entry and a proper rest day for volunteers to recharge their batteries would be a good idea in my view, or abandon it and have sprint races at another time.
Having it as a proper race on one of the 6 days with clubs allocated to it and mainly pre-entry and a proper rest day for volunteers to recharge their batteries would be a good idea in my view, or abandon it and have sprint races at another time.
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Mmm, I helped at the Scone sprint. I went in to enter my daughter and stayed to help with maps and entries.
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Big Jon wrote:I doubt Deeside 2017 will have a sprint race as one day - we don't have the towns and those we have are very small - we'd struggle to get 4000 people round any of them safely!
Think only 650 at Forres, would that number be possible? Or any good clean forests for a forest sprint?
frog wrote:several club members felt they really needed a restful rest day as manning info stands etc for days on end was more than enough for a smallish club.
If this becomes a reason for abandoning, then maybe an English club might take it on? May be encouraged if there would be profits after costing in a professional map.
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PG wrote:Big Jon wrote:I doubt Deeside 2017 will have a sprint race as one day - we don't have the towns and those we have are very small - we'd struggle to get 4000 people round any of them safely!
Think only 650 at Forres, would that number be possible? Or any good clean forests for a forest sprint?
frog wrote:several club members felt they really needed a restful rest day as manning info stands etc for days on end was more than enough for a smallish club.
If this becomes a reason for abandoning, then maybe an English club might take it on? May be encouraged if there would be profits after costing in a professional map.
I think Big Jon meant that a sprint as of one of the 6 days of the main event was unlikely rather than referring to any demise of the rest day sprint per se.
Actually had about 1000 entrants for Forres but I suspect a lot of the DNAs like you say were suffering from fatigue and needed a rest. We likewise "wasted" 4 pre entries for the O fest as I got tied up in Forres till nearly 3pm and decided to go for a lie down!
Logistically it would be a nightmare to do a town/city sprint as one of the 6 days - but I'd love to see it tried!
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frog wrote:We shouldn't do a sprint because its too popular.
Well, she almost said that.
A thousand entries would generate a lot of money for a franchisee - at least, it would keep me in coconuts for the foreseeable future
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