Start times are published. Let the moaning begin. Why not check the web site where 9 times out of 10 the answer will be there.
Specifically:
Start times
Starts are from 9:45 to 14:15, but may be extended if entry numbers warrant it. Courses close at 16:30.
If you are late for your start time, the start team will try to start you as soon as possible, but there may be a very long wait, as some courses are very full. Start times will not be changed at the Start, and punching starts will not be allowed except for those with 'PS' on their bib (event helpers and parents with split starts, and competitors on colour coded courses). For most competitors, start lists will be displayed in the Arena and your start time will be on your bib.[/quote]
S6D start times
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Re: S6D start times
Snail wrote:Is there any flexibility for helpers? On the day the club is supposed to be helping the organising club with car parking we all have early starts!
Yes, helpers have flexibility to start at a time suitable for the job they're doing. Helpers will generally be on early or late shifts so some people will be able to start through the normal channel at the allocated start time.
- lindseyk
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Re: S6D start times
Start times are published. Let the moaning begin.
OK
I agree with RS. I applied in january for WOC spec ( my main motivation for coming to the 6 days) ...two out of three of my start times ( relay and long ) make it impossible to spectate at WOC. Contrawise , my son who did not specify WOC spec has got perfect spectating start times. (if he wanted to ) I would swop places but don't think I would survive the long M21 courses.
Really does make you wonder if there was any point in the system, just hope it worked for other people.
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I agree with RS. I applied in january for WOC spec ( my main motivation for coming to the 6 days) ...two out of three of my start times ( relay and long ) make it impossible to spectate at WOC. Contrawise , my son who did not specify WOC spec has got perfect spectating start times. (if he wanted to ) I would swop places but don't think I would survive the long M21 courses.
Really does make you wonder if there was any point in the system, just hope it worked for other people.
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Re: S6D start times
Discussion at club meeting this evening ...
Apparently, the long-standing system of club start blocks has not been done this year ... to everyone's surprise and most people's discomfort.
> What now for club tents/feathers which will have to stay all day ?
> What about people travelling together but not entered on the same form ?
I'll make a wild guess there's going to be lots of requests for changes.
Apparently, the long-standing system of club start blocks has not been done this year ... to everyone's surprise and most people's discomfort.
> What now for club tents/feathers which will have to stay all day ?
> What about people travelling together but not entered on the same form ?
I'll make a wild guess there's going to be lots of requests for changes.
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Re: S6D start times
There are 5384 entries with 2166 asking for WOCSPEC starts. I'm glad it's not me trying to get WOCSPECs the start times that they want while at the same time making sure runners from the same club all start together with start slots evenly spread across all 6 days.
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Like JohnRobinson my main reason for attending the SSD is to spectate WOC, next on my list is running the SSD courses, last on my list is competing in the SSD competition. Like others my start time on Day3 (2.01pm) means that I won't be able to see much of the women's relay (I'm not very competent in complex Scottish areas). Ironically had I not asked for WOCSPEC start times but ended up with my club block times there would have been no clashes.
Is there scope I wonder for some lateral thinking? I, for example, would quite happily run non-competitively if it meant that I could run in time to spectate at WOC. Current best practice at major events (see David Rosen's article on the BOF news page) is to set off late people as soon as possible at half minute slots. How about a n/c WOC spectators lane where those of us that have a clash between running and spectating could choose to start earlier, but run non-competitively, and be set off at a half minute slot?
Ideally of course requests to resolve these clashes could be dealt with beforehand (I sent a hopefully polite request yesterday) but I appreciate the problems with this and the revised (?) wording on the website suggests that no changes to start times will be made until the event centre opens.
Is there scope I wonder for some lateral thinking? I, for example, would quite happily run non-competitively if it meant that I could run in time to spectate at WOC. Current best practice at major events (see David Rosen's article on the BOF news page) is to set off late people as soon as possible at half minute slots. How about a n/c WOC spectators lane where those of us that have a clash between running and spectating could choose to start earlier, but run non-competitively, and be set off at a half minute slot?
Ideally of course requests to resolve these clashes could be dealt with beforehand (I sent a hopefully polite request yesterday) but I appreciate the problems with this and the revised (?) wording on the website suggests that no changes to start times will be made until the event centre opens.
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Re: S6D start times
"Age class or Start time
1 change: £4; 2 changes: £8; 3 or more changes: £10
NB: Changing class and/or start time counts as one change for each day changed."
An expensive option methinks.
"...while at the same time making sure runners from the same club all start together with start slots evenly spread across all 6 days."
This doesn't appear to be too successful. In some cases I've heard of such as 2 very early starts per person, 3 hours between family members (not split start requests), I won't go on but did think a professional organisation was being paid to deal with entries.
1 change: £4; 2 changes: £8; 3 or more changes: £10
NB: Changing class and/or start time counts as one change for each day changed."
An expensive option methinks.
"...while at the same time making sure runners from the same club all start together with start slots evenly spread across all 6 days."
This doesn't appear to be too successful. In some cases I've heard of such as 2 very early starts per person, 3 hours between family members (not split start requests), I won't go on but did think a professional organisation was being paid to deal with entries.
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Re: S6D start times
Is there any flexibility for helpers?
Members of helpers clubs will generally have both an allocated start time, and a "PS" on their bib immediately after the start time which gives them rights to a punching start. If you are doing a late shift, then it is helpful for the club members to use their allocated start time, as it minimises the workload on the start teams. Some courses are very very full this year.
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Re: S6D start times
Apparently, the long-standing system of club start blocks has not been done this year ...
I don't think this is true. Our club, and others I have scanned, is fairly well aligned, on all days (other than the sprint races). I think the exceptions are probably limited to those who have either deliberately asked to be grouped with another club or who requested a WOCSPEC time, or are involved in some way with either WOC or S6D.
I don't know about the WOCSPEC issue, because we didn't request it, but other than that the entry team appear to have done a good job given the very high entry numbers.
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Re: S6D start times
The blocks system was used this year, but came under a bit of strain due to WOCSPEC blocks and the large number of competitors. For example, for course 19 for Day 5, instead of 6*45 minute blocks, it became
58,55,41,49,34,34 minute blocks in order. So, if your club is on block 2 for that day, you might be slightly later than the rest of your club members.
58,55,41,49,34,34 minute blocks in order. So, if your club is on block 2 for that day, you might be slightly later than the rest of your club members.
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> 3 hours between family members (not split start requests)
This happens when entries for family members fail to put the same start club block request on their entry, ie either:
* they are in different clubs, and don't put a start block entry request down; or
* they are in the same club, and one of them puts a start block entry request down and the other doesn't
* they put down start block entry requests for the same club, but use different variants of the club name which I failed to catch
This happens when entries for family members fail to put the same start club block request on their entry, ie either:
* they are in different clubs, and don't put a start block entry request down; or
* they are in the same club, and one of them puts a start block entry request down and the other doesn't
* they put down start block entry requests for the same club, but use different variants of the club name which I failed to catch
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Re: S6D start times
Thanks for providing this information Widdershins it's greatly appreciated when an organiser's viewpoint is given.
Is it possible to explain how the WOCSPEC blocks work? I can understand how it would be difficult to avoid clashes on Day 5 with the long start window for the WOC classic but it does seem unfortunate that there are clashes with the WOC relay - a much more spectator-friendly event with a much shorter start window.
Is it possible to explain how the WOCSPEC blocks work? I can understand how it would be difficult to avoid clashes on Day 5 with the long start window for the WOC classic but it does seem unfortunate that there are clashes with the WOC relay - a much more spectator-friendly event with a much shorter start window.
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Re: S6D start times
Some courses are very very full this year.
And not just courses. Controls need to be doubled up if there are more than 1200 competitors expected. This assumes these are spread out fairly evenly throughout the start block, so moving people into half-minute intervals, or concentrating one or more courses in a certain block means that there may be queues at controls and processions inbetween.
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Re: S6D start times
One difficulty is that different people may have a different view as to what an opportunity to spectate at WOC might be;
* do they want to see the whole of the race;
* do they want to see a bit of the race;
* how quickly are they going to go round their own Six Day course
Information was gleaned from WOC bulletin number 3:
http://www.woc2015.org/documents/WOC2015_Bulletin_3.pdf
Which states:
Day 3 - spectate relay 14.00 - 18.00
Day 5 - spectate long 12.30 - 16.00
So, rightly or wrongly, the view was taken that the competitors wanted a block which could give them a chance to run their own course, and not be too far away from the WOC published timings so that they were hanging around too long; and to give a good overlap with the WOC timings. To achieve that, competitors who asked for WOCSPEC (about 20% of all competitors) were generally put into blocks 4,5,6 for these two days.
* do they want to see the whole of the race;
* do they want to see a bit of the race;
* how quickly are they going to go round their own Six Day course
Information was gleaned from WOC bulletin number 3:
http://www.woc2015.org/documents/WOC2015_Bulletin_3.pdf
Which states:
Day 3 - spectate relay 14.00 - 18.00
Day 5 - spectate long 12.30 - 16.00
So, rightly or wrongly, the view was taken that the competitors wanted a block which could give them a chance to run their own course, and not be too far away from the WOC published timings so that they were hanging around too long; and to give a good overlap with the WOC timings. To achieve that, competitors who asked for WOCSPEC (about 20% of all competitors) were generally put into blocks 4,5,6 for these two days.
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Re: S6D start times
Thanks, hopefully requests for start time adjustments from those of us that (not unreasonably?) assumed that with WOCSPEC blocks we would be able to spectate the whole of the relay will be sympathetically considered.
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