http://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/i ... 202015.pdf recently circulated. Sad we seem to be tying ourselves up in more and more red tape, compulsory courses and bureaucracy.
Do all O events now need to display a risk assessment or just major ones? If this is an insurance requirement it would be nice to see that listed rather than just an additional thing for organisers to have to remember to take to events because someone thinks they haven't enough to do.
Events and Competitions committee minutes
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It's been like this for a while unfortunately. Not a huge amount about actually organising events, and a lot about courses, insurance and "strategic visions".
At some point the whole major events process will collapse under its own weight and we won't find any more people to volunteer to organise anything...or rather if they do then they'll just get on with it by themselves, like the Scots*
*although I noticed they just agreed to have their next cool race "Race The Queen Twenty Eighteen" also cover some old-school thing called "BOC". Weird.
At some point the whole major events process will collapse under its own weight and we won't find any more people to volunteer to organise anything...or rather if they do then they'll just get on with it by themselves, like the Scots*
*although I noticed they just agreed to have their next cool race "Race The Queen Twenty Eighteen" also cover some old-school thing called "BOC". Weird.
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Thought you were joking about the Race the Queen thing but I see we're back at Balmoral for the individual and relay. Excellent.
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frog wrote:an additional thing for organisers to have to remember to take to events because someone thinks they haven't enough to do.
Wait what? Organisers aren't even bringing the risk assesments to the events they are for? Is that true? That's astonishing if so...
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This is just daft. Although some aspects of the risk assessment will depend just on terrain and time of year, any sensible assessment will also be a function of the actual courses. Is it being suggested that course planning is completed before the event is registered, or that the risk assessment ignores the planning?
If no Risk Assessment is produced, then BO will not register the event.
This is just daft. Although some aspects of the risk assessment will depend just on terrain and time of year, any sensible assessment will also be a function of the actual courses. Is it being suggested that course planning is completed before the event is registered, or that the risk assessment ignores the planning?
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Agree. One problem I have is persuading landowners/ Red Cross etc when they ask for a risk assessment early on is that an early risk assessment before the courses have been finalised is a meaningless piece of paper.
If you're organising a large event (like the SOL I organised 2 weeks ago) then the risk assessment is a collaborative effort between organiser planner and controller and isn't usually completed until the courses are finalised and you've sorted out your stream crossings etc.
I have never had anyone ask to see a risk assessment at an event, most experienced orienteers can imagine what is in them anyway. If it's a useful risk assessment than the organiser should be able to tell you what is in it if you ask. Details like phone nos and location of nearest A&E are important and I take them. Missing competitor protocols are more useful than a risk assessment at the actual event, although at large events there are usually lots of experienced orienteers to help you. What to do with a wild boar rampaging through a local event can be more stressful (and having my risk assessment in a folder wouldn't have helped me there).
If you're organising a large event (like the SOL I organised 2 weeks ago) then the risk assessment is a collaborative effort between organiser planner and controller and isn't usually completed until the courses are finalised and you've sorted out your stream crossings etc.
I have never had anyone ask to see a risk assessment at an event, most experienced orienteers can imagine what is in them anyway. If it's a useful risk assessment than the organiser should be able to tell you what is in it if you ask. Details like phone nos and location of nearest A&E are important and I take them. Missing competitor protocols are more useful than a risk assessment at the actual event, although at large events there are usually lots of experienced orienteers to help you. What to do with a wild boar rampaging through a local event can be more stressful (and having my risk assessment in a folder wouldn't have helped me there).
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frog wrote: What to do with a wild boar rampaging through a local event can be more stressful (and having my risk assessment in a folder wouldn't have helped me there).
Aah but say you produce a 150 page risk assessment you could hit the boar on the head with it and stun it
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frog wrote: and you've sorted out your stream crossings etc.
With the "bridge" built 3 days before the event...
frog wrote:What to do with a wild boar rampaging through a local event can be more stressful (and having my risk assessment in a folder wouldn't have helped me there).
Next year's BBQ was the suggestion
At work we have to display each risk assessment in the area where the work takes place, and everybody who carries out the procedure needs to read & sign it. I hope we won't have to make every competitor do that!
Where they have a place is in the blame game after something goes wrong and you can demonstrate the efforts you have made to avoid the problem.
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Agree re the boar (or family of boars as it turned out to be) and bbq, we could combine orienteering with archery and form a new biathlon.
Agree writing a risk assessment is useful, particularly for large events and new areas as it makes you think about the risks.
I'm not convinced putting it in a folder and taking it to the event is worthwhile though.
Maybe I should do that and refuse to allow anyone on the events and competitions committee to run until they've read it thoroughly and done an MCQ on it if they're going to insist I take it along.
Agree writing a risk assessment is useful, particularly for large events and new areas as it makes you think about the risks.
I'm not convinced putting it in a folder and taking it to the event is worthwhile though.
Maybe I should do that and refuse to allow anyone on the events and competitions committee to run until they've read it thoroughly and done an MCQ on it if they're going to insist I take it along.
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Rosine wrote:At work we have to display each risk assessment in the area where the work takes place, and everybody who carries out the procedure needs to read & sign it. I hope we won't have to make every competitor do that!
I have worked at events (adventure races) where this has happened, it's not as far fetched as you might think..
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I read the minutes yesterday - and my immediate impression was that this was a sport dying under a large weight of bureaucracy
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frog wrote:Do all O events now need to display a risk assessment
Are you kidding, or have you really not noticed this requirement? And it is a bit of a pain but it's really not that onerous, especially once you have one or two old ones you can copy most of the bits from. And considering that most organisers are quite inexperienced, the risk assessment is a good way of making sure they're aware of all the, er, risks.
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I know we have to do risk assessments, it's the displaying it at the event bit that is new to me.
Maybe events in other areas have risk assessments hanging from their tents, but I doubt it.
Maybe events in other areas have risk assessments hanging from their tents, but I doubt it.
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There's also a bit that says, if I understood correctly, that from 2017 all officials (so that's organisers, planners and controllers) will have to have done training and the event safety workshop. That's going to make it really easy to get people to organise the many Level D events clubs are supposed to put on, isn't it?
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