Another excellent BAOC MLS event at Frith Hill yesterday - apart from my DQ for a wrong punch. But it turns out I wasn't the only one; I make it 13 out of 81 finishers (ie non-retirees) on Blue - that's 16%, including some pretty good veterans - mistakenly went to the eastern punch (17) rather than the western one (14). Is that a record?
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There was also a control in the small re entrant NW of 14! Better to get the faults out of your system at that event than in the Sprint Champs in a couple of weeks time, where the same technology is being used.
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drobin wrote:There was also a control in the small re entrant NW of 14! Better to get the faults out of your system at that event than in the Sprint Champs in a couple of weeks time, where the same technology is being used.
The mis-punching was not a problem with the technology, just a problem reading the numbers/control codes. Apart from 12, there is a large diffence between 122 and 134
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One thing I noticed when I first used touch free punching was that I was looking at the SIair or Emitag for a flash rather than the control, so I was less likely to check the code. You know how sometimes you look at the code as you punch then check your descriptions as you run out? That only works if you know the code you punched at. So I'd argue it could be a problem with the new tech.
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I should have said '(competitor) use of the technology'!
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MIE wrote
It depends on what you mean by difference! BOF Rules (my emboldening) state
Looking at the all controls map, 122 and 134 were about 50 m apart, 134 was a re-entrant and 122 an earthwall bend. At first sight, it seems inconceivable that a re-entrant and an earthwall bend could be mistaken for one another, but 16% of the competitors (including me ) did, which suggests that things were not so obvious in the terrain.
My memory of this control was of dropping down the slope, seeing a flattish piece of ground and a flag and being so certain I was right that I made the mistake of not checking the code. Even now, I am not aware of an earthwall and, given nothing better to do, I'd like to go back and see the ground again - but I never will!
So, if one in six of the competitors mispunched here, it suggests that they at least found the features to appear similar in the terrain. I know I did ... and that's my excuse.
Apart from 12, there is a large diffence between 122 and 134
It depends on what you mean by difference! BOF Rules (my emboldening) state
Controls within 60 metres of each other must not be positioned on similar features or on features that appear similar in the terrain.
Looking at the all controls map, 122 and 134 were about 50 m apart, 134 was a re-entrant and 122 an earthwall bend. At first sight, it seems inconceivable that a re-entrant and an earthwall bend could be mistaken for one another, but 16% of the competitors (including me ) did, which suggests that things were not so obvious in the terrain.
My memory of this control was of dropping down the slope, seeing a flattish piece of ground and a flag and being so certain I was right that I made the mistake of not checking the code. Even now, I am not aware of an earthwall and, given nothing better to do, I'd like to go back and see the ground again - but I never will!
So, if one in six of the competitors mispunched here, it suggests that they at least found the features to appear similar in the terrain. I know I did ... and that's my excuse.
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DJM wrote:122 an earthwall bend.
Centre of circle for 17 looks like a gully (maybe junction with earthwall if there can be such a thing?). If so could easily look like a reentrant.
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It's always hard to interpret the map when a contour turns into a formline and then stops...
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If you thought those two controls were close together then you might have had trouble in the Riga Cup last weekend - I know I did!
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Thats not planning - thats purple ring patterned wallpaper!
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drobin wrote:I should have said '(competitor) use of the technology'!
Just in time before I bit!
It is important not to get too competitive at these events (except with oneself). A first time planner and an unqualified controller (but not a BOF event) who will learn from the constructive criticism.
There actually was a third control in the shown area - the small re-entrant NNW of 14. Well done for the planner identifying it as a site, but therefore #14 broke the rule for two other controls and could have been taken out without reducing the course standard. (Sorry - this has been mentioned before, but overlooked in my hurrumphing ...)
There was also a good reminder at the event that lines between controls should not cross OOB areas; and that a fence with double tags is only high under ISOM, and not impassable. There was at least one above average competitor!
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graeme wrote:It's always hard to interpret the map when a contour turns into a formline and then stops...
Ah ... but does it?
I interpreted it (from the comfort of my chair looking at map above) as
* Arriving from the W, just N of a small gully
* continuing in a NE direction near the top bar of the 7.
Surely the ones that stops is indeed just a formline?
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Not as easy as that actually on the ground!!
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A tip i give folk in terrain with lots of contours is that contours show height, form lines show height so often the form lines show shape that is easy to recognise.
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So the two brown lines in the SW of the circle pointing at each other are at different levels?
For extra credit: which control is higher?
For extra credit: which control is higher?
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