Was I imagining it or at some time in the past did the British Orienteering Roll of Honour, now listed under Athlete Success, include World Masters medals?
Does two golds at WMOC 2014 give Nick Barrable more world-level championship medals than any other Brit?
Maybe if we count all world level events, including World Cups, Emily Benham is ahead?
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With all due respect to WMOC medals they cannot compare to World Champs medals (or even to World Cup medals).
I reckon Yvette Baker (Hague) probably has more medals at World class elite races than anyone else.
I reckon Yvette Baker (Hague) probably has more medals at World class elite races than anyone else.
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Re: Brit with most world medals
Big Jon wrote:With all due respect to WMOC medals they cannot compare to World Champs medals
True enough. But PG's link lists EYOC, World Universities, and all manner of restrictive events which most people can't enter. Leaving them in and cutting out WMOC seems very odd. Not to mention the missing World Cup medallists, but I guess if the IOF can't be a**ed to record them, they can't be that important
Even jane and I have got relay gold medals from APOC - Champions of half the planet - that's equivalent to the European Champs, right .
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There is normally a Roll of Honour on the AGM booklet each year which includes everything, including WMOC and all the BOC Elites etc.
World Cups - which includes Europeans and World Champs of course are far harder to obtain medals in than anything else in O. (World Games too probably) Although these days some World Cup rounds have pretty small fields.
European medals are arguably harder to win that WOC medals due to bigger fields. This is possibly why GBR has done better much better at WOC than EOC (where SUI can close all 6 of their runners in the top 10 for eg). Although EOC is only every other year and WOC has been annual from 2003.
As Graeme notes, there are a number of issues with the current list shown, including the Australian in it! David Brickill-Jones won his Silver Medal in 2005 wearing an Australian vest, not changing to running to GBR till 2006. And changing back to AUS a few years later...
WUOC and JWOC medals I feel should be in this list as they too are hard to win and rare items from Team GB. But you could have these in a second list with JEC and EYOC medals, maybe even WSOC medals?? Although I think there are a lot of those...
Some years, there are a lot of WMOC medals so maybe this should be a new separate list somewhere. WMOC fields do vary from year to year although they are usually good competitions and great for Masters to focus on every year. But they are open competitions unlike the above which are selected and often funded by NGBs. If BOF have funded teams, even partly, then BOF should probably record their successes in a Roll of Honour - eg JEC, EYOC, WUOC....
World Cups - which includes Europeans and World Champs of course are far harder to obtain medals in than anything else in O. (World Games too probably) Although these days some World Cup rounds have pretty small fields.
European medals are arguably harder to win that WOC medals due to bigger fields. This is possibly why GBR has done better much better at WOC than EOC (where SUI can close all 6 of their runners in the top 10 for eg). Although EOC is only every other year and WOC has been annual from 2003.
As Graeme notes, there are a number of issues with the current list shown, including the Australian in it! David Brickill-Jones won his Silver Medal in 2005 wearing an Australian vest, not changing to running to GBR till 2006. And changing back to AUS a few years later...
WUOC and JWOC medals I feel should be in this list as they too are hard to win and rare items from Team GB. But you could have these in a second list with JEC and EYOC medals, maybe even WSOC medals?? Although I think there are a lot of those...
Some years, there are a lot of WMOC medals so maybe this should be a new separate list somewhere. WMOC fields do vary from year to year although they are usually good competitions and great for Masters to focus on every year. But they are open competitions unlike the above which are selected and often funded by NGBs. If BOF have funded teams, even partly, then BOF should probably record their successes in a Roll of Honour - eg JEC, EYOC, WUOC....
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So what's the hardest race to win?
Although it doesn't happen anymore, I would suggest it was the Nordic Champs in a non-WOC year (i.e. when it was the biggest race of the year). You had to beat larger-than-WOC first-choice Scandinavian teams on their home soil. And all the other top nations too.
So that would be worth listing
Although it doesn't happen anymore, I would suggest it was the Nordic Champs in a non-WOC year (i.e. when it was the biggest race of the year). You had to beat larger-than-WOC first-choice Scandinavian teams on their home soil. And all the other top nations too.
So that would be worth listing
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And the boys done well, winning NOC at Mikkeli in Finland
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Re: Brit with most world medals
The current list doesn't even include all the achievements that it should, in World Cup for example.
The whole section is rubbish anyway, the article makes it seem as if there was no such thing as a GB team before lottery funding began.
The whole section is rubbish anyway, the article makes it seem as if there was no such thing as a GB team before lottery funding began.
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Kitch > the list isn't total rubbish, it shows pretty clearly that despite lottery funding and all the bullshit wording in the documents British orienteering is not developing world class orienteers in the forest like it once did………the men haven't won an individual medal in the forest for almost 10 years
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Re: Brit with most world medals
That may be true but I can't see why an individual forest medal should be more valuable than a relay and/or sprint one.
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Re: Brit with most world medals
So which would you rather have Poo Boy, an individual Sprint medal or a Long Distance medal?
Please don't give me the wrong answer.
Please don't give me the wrong answer.
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Sprint. Was that the right answer?
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is it only the British girls that want to win medals in the forest?! F@ck sake boys toughen up the ultimate prize in orienteering is WOC gold in the classic distance
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To you. To me the ultimate individual prize is the one I would have spent years working towards, not the one someone tells me is best because its what "tough" people do.
On the other hand, I would value a relay medal above an individual any day.
On the other hand, I would value a relay medal above an individual any day.
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Spot on ,Kris.
The ultimate prize is the one athletes have been striving for. Here's hoping that all involved have the opportunity to prepare in the best possible way over the next few months: good luck.
The ultimate prize is the one athletes have been striving for. Here's hoping that all involved have the opportunity to prepare in the best possible way over the next few months: good luck.
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The toughest race is surely the one that the winner has to work hardest for. Knowing how hard Kris works it would be hard not to describe sprint orienteering as tough.
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