As there have been almost no coaching courses over the last year, not enough coaches and other volunteers have been applying for DBS checks in England. BO lost their right to submit applications because of this.
Their solution is to use an external body that charges £10.50. Rather than absorb this cost, thus respecting their current policy, as per the website today, they are going to pass on this cost to the applicants.
BO to charge for DBS checks
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Re: BO to charge for DBS checks
Wasn't sure if you were just stating fact, or saying they are doing the wrong thing. Whatever, £10 seems pretty insignificant in the overall cost of maintaining a coaching qualification, compared to e.g. UKCC coaching course, keeping up your first aid etc.
Do also remember that DBS checks are not mandatory for everyone coaching, even if dealing with children, and wanting a British Orienteering license to coach. It depends on who you are coaching, how often etc. This document summarizes when you need one: http://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/i ... ar2014.pdf. Indeed in some cases it is not a case of not needing one, you are not even entitled to one (according to that doc anyway).
Do also remember that DBS checks are not mandatory for everyone coaching, even if dealing with children, and wanting a British Orienteering license to coach. It depends on who you are coaching, how often etc. This document summarizes when you need one: http://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/i ... ar2014.pdf. Indeed in some cases it is not a case of not needing one, you are not even entitled to one (according to that doc anyway).
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Re: BO to charge for DBS checks
I would be interested if any other sports have trained so few coaches in a year.
I would also be surprised if any other sport charges volunteers for DBS checks.
I would also be surprised if any other sport charges volunteers for DBS checks.
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bewildered wrote:I would also be surprised if any other sport charges volunteers for DBS checks.
A very quick google search for "DBS charge sport" would suggest that at least basketball and netball also charge, and that they charge more than £10.50.
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I believe within so many days of getting your DBS you can ask for it to be made an Open one (or something like that) so that you don't need to re-apply if you need one for different sports. The bad news is that this costs more.
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[one of the prospective coaches who did apply for DBS through BOF this year after my CRB was bounced since some bits of info on it had my middle name and others didn't. I've since done another for work.]
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[one of the prospective coaches who did apply for DBS through BOF this year after my CRB was bounced since some bits of info on it had my middle name and others didn't. I've since done another for work.]
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Re: BO to charge for DBS checks
I'd have thought its perfectly reaosnable for the NGB to pass on the charge for this. After all volunteer club coaches should be able to claim this back through their O club, self employed coaches who make money from the sport can get some tax relief for it and shouldnt necessarily be subsdised by the rest of the BO members and anyone who's doing it as a job eg outdoors instructor, should be getting it paid by their emplyoer.
No need for our membership fees (or indeed the ever increasing entry fee for BO events)going to subsidise this IMO.
No need for our membership fees (or indeed the ever increasing entry fee for BO events)going to subsidise this IMO.
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Re: BO to charge for DBS checks
bewildered wrote:As there have been almost no coaching courses over the last year, not enough coaches and other volunteers have been applying for DBS checks in England. BO lost their right to submit applications because of this.
I think you are all missing the wood for the trees. surely we should be far more concerned over the lack of coaching courses and people doing them than whether we have to pay for the checks?
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Mrs H wrote:bewildered wrote:As there have been almost no coaching courses over the last year, not enough coaches and other volunteers have been applying for DBS checks in England. BO lost their right to submit applications because of this.
I think you are all missing the wood for the trees. surely we should be far more concerned over the lack of coaching courses and people doing them than whether we have to pay for the checks?
The assumptions presented here are a little woolly.
"As there have been almost no coaching courses over the last year, not enough coaches and other volunteers"
In YHOA there have been courses offered. Whether anyone volunteered I can't say.
Not enough? How many is enough and what was the threshold 10, 100, 1000 volunteers? Numbers would allow us to make an informed opinion as to whether there is enough.
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Re: BO to charge for DBS checks
Over the past couple of years 'open' coaching courses arranged and advertised by British Orienteering have not attracted enough participants to be viable and have been cancelled. In the past 12 months I have trained 13 coaches locally and will start to train 8 more next weekend for SCOA. When a club or region decides they need more coaches and can promote the training it happens.
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Re: BO to charge for DBS checks
It's not surprising there is less demand for coaching courses than in recent years. The drivers for demand have gone.
First there was clubmark. Lots of clubs needed a qualified coach for their award. Clubs that are going for clubmark have mostly/all got it by now.
Then there were club nights. There aren't many new club nights coming through now, and many have closed.
I'm sure there's still demand from the clubs that do club nights, and other coaching. Possibly more than 10-15 years ago?
A while back there was talk of orienteering coaching qualifications that can be done by self studying, and mentoring from another qualified coach, with maybe a small, flexible course element. I think there was talk of this. Is there any news on this approach? I think it could work well.
Finally what's happening with the coaching logs? Is it still a requirement to do xxx logged coaching sessions per year/xxx coaching studying a year etc? Is that deterring the one coaching session a year type of coach (which is quite common in orienteering)?
First there was clubmark. Lots of clubs needed a qualified coach for their award. Clubs that are going for clubmark have mostly/all got it by now.
Then there were club nights. There aren't many new club nights coming through now, and many have closed.
I'm sure there's still demand from the clubs that do club nights, and other coaching. Possibly more than 10-15 years ago?
A while back there was talk of orienteering coaching qualifications that can be done by self studying, and mentoring from another qualified coach, with maybe a small, flexible course element. I think there was talk of this. Is there any news on this approach? I think it could work well.
Finally what's happening with the coaching logs? Is it still a requirement to do xxx logged coaching sessions per year/xxx coaching studying a year etc? Is that deterring the one coaching session a year type of coach (which is quite common in orienteering)?
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Re: BO to charge for DBS checks
Mrs H wrote: missing the wood for the trees.
Indeed. Here's the wood...
bewildered wrote:The first, and in England, the last UKCC L3 course was at the end of 2011. Only one person (me) has completed the assessment (Feb 2012) and the course hasn't been run again.]
buzz wrote:I seem to recall [BOF Performance Manager] saying she'd done or was doing level 2 ...
some like myself will have the old National Coach, which became level 4 and not sure where that leaves us at UKCC
The L3 system isn't working in practice.
Professional staff don't need it.
Experienced coaches don't understand it.
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L3 course being planned for Scotland next November. It is very demanding (having been involved in presenting the first (and so far only) L3 course, it isn't going to be for everyone, but for anyone interested in getting into coaching at a higher level it will be very worthwhile as it goes into much greater depth than the L2 course.
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