Some stats about yesterday, from a man with too much time on his hands:
last control for those that missed 60
45 49 104 201
2 1 1 1
previous control for those that punched 60
33 37 46 50 51 53 55 56 57 59 103 104 105 203 204 211
1 2 1 1 4 2 28 1 2 9 20 5 3 12 9 15
first two controls and count of people
32.50 40.57 32.35 48.49 50.102 39.105 36.101 32.102 32.36 48.39 48.53
27 21 14 6 6 6 5 5 4 4 4
36.41 52.42 101.201 101.39 48.40 40.106 105.38 105.39 102.43 42.54 57.102
3 3 3 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1
control counts
60 101 102 103 104 105 106 201 202 203 204 205 206 211
117 84 66 89 62 94 65 44 52 48 27 12 65 29
but I'm failing on the formatting
Orienteering's cool younger brother?
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Re: Orienteering's cool younger brother?
Did throwing an onion or climbing a rope etc. make much difference to the final positions?
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Re: Orienteering's cool younger brother?
babs f wrote:
We quite fancy persuading Red Bull to being involved in something in the Malverns. Anyone know any local characters?
Elgar and C.S. Lewis's lampost ? Not sure what you can do with them, unless you stretch it to Narnia characters.
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Re: Orienteering's cool younger brother?
Freefall wrote:Did throwing an onion or climbing a rope etc. make much difference to the final positions?
Not from. My cursorylookat the results.
Men's top few all succeeded with 3. Someone with more time can probably check in detail.
13 secs £200 difference in prize money!
If Heineken did Orienteering then this would be it
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Only 4 seconds difference at the penultimate control, with Dave having just spent 15 seconds less on the "spot the difference" challenge, which they both got wrong anyway.
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The general word at Tankersley from those who took part was that it was fab-u-lous!
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Ralph's a bit quicker than Dave atm, but he didn't know it was the sprint for the win according to his AP.
Tess's AP suggests she got her tactics wrong, not getting as many challenge points as a few above her.
Tess's AP suggests she got her tactics wrong, not getting as many challenge points as a few above her.
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Re: Orienteering's cool younger brother?
I'm sure it was a great experience for the 130 that took part but I can't see how this form of orienteering could ever be sustainable. With only £650 in entry fees and a £1000 in prize money plus how ever much else it cost to put on the event, the event made a massive loss. I assume Red Bull are coughing up the balance, but are they likely to want to replicate this several dozens of times a year?
I can see what orientering has to benefit from Red Bull but I'm not sure how Red Bull benefits from orienteering. The current demographic of orienteers are unlikely to become heavy Red Bull drinkers.
Whilst orienteering would love to get more of the Red Bull demographic taking part in orienteering there is going to be a few disappointed people when they turn up at a typical club orienteering event. For a start it's going to cost them more money to enter and there is no prize money, plus all the other challenges will be missing. So what will happen then?
Promoting orienteering as something it isn't is just inviting disappointment when they investigate what their local club offers.
I know this sounds like grumpy old man, but it's unrealistic to just look at how fantastic it was without thinking about the way forward.
I can see what orientering has to benefit from Red Bull but I'm not sure how Red Bull benefits from orienteering. The current demographic of orienteers are unlikely to become heavy Red Bull drinkers.
Whilst orienteering would love to get more of the Red Bull demographic taking part in orienteering there is going to be a few disappointed people when they turn up at a typical club orienteering event. For a start it's going to cost them more money to enter and there is no prize money, plus all the other challenges will be missing. So what will happen then?
Promoting orienteering as something it isn't is just inviting disappointment when they investigate what their local club offers.
I know this sounds like grumpy old man, but it's unrealistic to just look at how fantastic it was without thinking about the way forward.
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Re: Orienteering's cool younger brother?
When we were talking to enthusiastic non-orienteers yesterday, we made it quite clear what "normal" orienteering events werelike.
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Paul Frost wrote:I know this sounds like grumpy old man, but it's unrealistic to just look at how fantastic it was without thinking about the way forward.
Paul you typify everything that is wrong in orienteering with your negativity and assumptions. Amplified by this forum.
Red Bull are a company that seeks publicity by association with the sport. In this case with young athletic people doing "adventure" type activities. A thinking persons sport. Publicity shots, Red Bull promotion absolutely brilliant.
I'm guessing £10K well spent.
Of course we can suck up to Sport England (or other funding bodies), employ full time non-orienteering staff and seek a way forward whilst they justify their own existence and seek further money to pay their salaries.
This put money into a limited "one-off" (possibly again next year fingers crossed) event, everyone enjoyed themselves and Red Bull got some publicity. Terrific.
It will not replace orienteering but it was great fun. A shame more people were not able to also enjoy it.
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Paul Frost wrote:Promoting orienteering as something it isn't is just inviting disappointment when they investigate what their local club offers.
I missed this.
The orienteering was superb, obviously not TD5 Scottish in your face terrain, but show me where you can have a 75 minute score event in England without access issues which is!
I cannot see why anyone attending this event would necessarily be disappointed with your normal orienteering. Even Street-O (sorry urban) could offer something. If we are so negative about our offering then we really do have problems.
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It's just given me an idea for our Christmas fun event, the Festive Frolic. I'm sure we can reproduce it in a simple way. Theme of John Muir was already planned as it is the centenary of his death next month. Prizes as usual will just be boxes of chocolates, though.
I'm sure my training as a Guide Leader will help me think up some easily organised challenges on the theme.
I'm sure my training as a Guide Leader will help me think up some easily organised challenges on the theme.
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LostAgain wrote:Paul you typify everything that is wrong in orienteering with your negativity and assumptions. Amplified by this forum.
I was trying to avoid being negative, but being realistic in trying to work out where this fits in with how we promote sport to non-orienteers. From all the publicity and what I've read, it sounds like it was a big spectacular occasion/event with big money prizes and all for £5. Almost everyone says it was great, and it might have been a good introduction to get younger people to try orienteering, but 130 people down in Sherwood forest once a year isn't going to stimulate interest in the 99.9999% of the population that are never going to experience it. That's why I'm being realistic in asking how/why, not negative in saying we shouldn't do this or be associated with it.
Whilst at the same time my club put on a level D event on an area within walking distance of Aviemore and coffee shops etc. Parking on hardstanding, newly updated map, good planning, advanced online entry as well as on the day and we had 16 people (10 pre-entered). The planner commented that it equated that he had spent about 1 hour of his time per person, I suspect it was actually more than that, plus the organiser & I spent a couple of hours armchair controlling it. Results, Routegadget & Winsplits all uploaded to the website by 5pm. Coincidentally we also charged £5 for adults.
So I fully understand that we need to get much better at promoting our sport, that's why I look hard at these things to try and work out what works and why. Hence my questioning what's in it for Red Bull & equally, orienteering. If sponsorship is the way forward to fund the extras or keep entry fees down then we need to be able to explain to potential sponsors what's in it for them.
At the same time we may need to adapt what we think of as orienteering to make it more appealing. I'm not stuck in a rut that says nothing must change, but if I'm going to get out of the rut I want to know which direction to go in first.
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LostAgain wrote:Of course we can suck up to Sport England (or other funding bodies), employ full time non-orienteering staff and seek a way forward whilst they justify their own existence and seek further money to pay their salaries.
I thought the event was the brainchild of one of the full time non orienteering staff?
If the 50 or so newcomers and associated publicity generate a revolution in orienteering then credit where credits due.
Better still the prize money gets channeled back into our otherwise unfunded performance programme - neat plan.
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+ 1.
Really, what evidence is there to suggest that the BOF staff seek to 'justify their own existence' ? An unfair and unnecessary comment?
Also, Sport England funding is pretty important I suggest; and we do need to play their game as far as is necessary.
Really, what evidence is there to suggest that the BOF staff seek to 'justify their own existence' ? An unfair and unnecessary comment?
Also, Sport England funding is pretty important I suggest; and we do need to play their game as far as is necessary.
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