Do you want a medal or what?
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Re: Do you want a medal or what?
When I organised the Erskine Urban race last year I'd to do several visits to the area visiting police, housing assoc, starts etc. I claimed sufficient on petrol money to buy a bottle of wine for the controller, planner, mapper, (and the organiser's wife). I got this idea from when someone else did this for me at an event I planned.
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Re: Do you want a medal or what?
That's a nice idea but in Tay and the ESOA in general we have more difficulty getting organisers than planners and controllers, so I hope you bought yourself a bottle of wine as well!
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Re: Do you want a medal or what?
After today's Southern Championship I thought this topic was worth reopening. Earlier posts seem to suggest that medals should not be given at most events, but be reserved for major championships. Medals also seem to be considered more appropriate for juniors.
We live in the south east and SEOA present medals to the first 3 at their championships. The Southern Championships today we thought would therefore present medals to the first 3 in each age group. No. There is a trophy for the winner presumably to be returned each year, but no momento to keep beyond that, or for those finishing 2nd and 3rd.
I regularly read on Nopesport of the need to get more Juniors involved who might become stars in the future. Failure to make any recognition of those managing to finish in the first 3 does not imbue any sense of achievement or that this is a Championship. It also removes a target for those outside the top 3 to aim for, if only one person receives recognition.
Most road races detail the prizes on offer in the flyer. May be first 3, first M40, first M50 and so on. Orienteering events seem to be vague on this, usually simply stating prizegiving. Is this deliberately vague or just no one knows when the event is being planned. Stating clearly in the flyer the prizes on offer would at least let us all know what we are aiming at rather than paying the entry and finding out later if there is a prize.
Subsequent to today''s 'Championship' I have looked at the web pages for the British Sprint and Long Championships. I see the age catagories are detailed, but no mention of whether those that do well in those categories will receive any reward for their achievement. Most athletic championships on television regularly show medals being presented to the first 3. If this is not going to happen, be up front about it.
We live in the south east and SEOA present medals to the first 3 at their championships. The Southern Championships today we thought would therefore present medals to the first 3 in each age group. No. There is a trophy for the winner presumably to be returned each year, but no momento to keep beyond that, or for those finishing 2nd and 3rd.
I regularly read on Nopesport of the need to get more Juniors involved who might become stars in the future. Failure to make any recognition of those managing to finish in the first 3 does not imbue any sense of achievement or that this is a Championship. It also removes a target for those outside the top 3 to aim for, if only one person receives recognition.
Most road races detail the prizes on offer in the flyer. May be first 3, first M40, first M50 and so on. Orienteering events seem to be vague on this, usually simply stating prizegiving. Is this deliberately vague or just no one knows when the event is being planned. Stating clearly in the flyer the prizes on offer would at least let us all know what we are aiming at rather than paying the entry and finding out later if there is a prize.
Subsequent to today''s 'Championship' I have looked at the web pages for the British Sprint and Long Championships. I see the age catagories are detailed, but no mention of whether those that do well in those categories will receive any reward for their achievement. Most athletic championships on television regularly show medals being presented to the first 3. If this is not going to happen, be up front about it.
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Re: Do you want a medal or what?
British Orienteering provide medals for British Championships and JK; I doubt that there will be any change this year to providing medals to the first 3 in each age class (not necessarily short courses?).
SCOA also provide medals for first 3 in their championships. Perhaps SCOA, SEOA and SWOA need to converse.
SCOA also provide medals for first 3 in their championships. Perhaps SCOA, SEOA and SWOA need to converse.
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Re: Do you want a medal or what?
DavidHH wrote:The Southern Championships today we thought would therefore present medals to the first 3 in each age group. No. There is a trophy for the winner presumably to be returned each year, but no momento to keep beyond that, or for those finishing 2nd and 3rd.
There have been medals and prizes for the Juniors in previous years at the Southern Champs but it is never consistent and from my quick review of photos from previous years getting less. In 2011 at Hambledon my son received Trader voucher, Certificate (a really good picture on it which was worth framing) and Goody Bag. In 2012 Buff and Medal. In 2014 a Coaster.
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Re: Do you want a medal or what?
The Southern, Midlands, Northern and Scottish, plus a few others like the South West and Welsh Championships were historically (in the 60s and 70s) open events that anyone age-eligible could win. They had kudos comparable to the JK and British, and trophies for most classes. When they went 'closed' they lost some of their prestige, but I think they are still hotly contested. The proliferation of Regional Championships for the three new disciplines (Sprint, Middle and Long) reflects an eagerness to justify having so many disciplines, where clubs' natural inclination is to put on 'Classic' style events that exploit the areas they have to the utmost.
Regional Associations have tried to raise the profile of these 'official' disciplines with things like medals for the first three. No such associations exist for the larger regions, hence historical trophies only and no medals.
Regional Associations have tried to raise the profile of these 'official' disciplines with things like medals for the first three. No such associations exist for the larger regions, hence historical trophies only and no medals.
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Re: Do you want a medal or what?
Then we get the confusion where classes share the same course.
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Re: Do you want a medal or what?
Who fancies being M35 champion of SE England? Pre-entry for the SE championships at Ightham this weekend closed with no M35 entries on the brown course (who are in a SEOA club). Entry on the day will be available. M40's and above can claim the prize according to the rules (which I think are correct, see below).
No entries also for W14, W16, W18 and W20
I googled the rules for SEOA competitions and came back with a document written by NeilC in 2010 which says
"If a competitor runs a course other than that recommended for their age class then they shall still be eligible for a medal assuming that their is an appropriate class associated with the course being run. Where there are several possible classes then they shall automatically entered into the closest class to their actual age class. For example if an W18 runs a course above that designated for W18 but does host the W20 and W21 classes then that competitor shall automatically be deemed to be entering the W20 class.
If a competitor wants to run up to a particular class then they must inform the organiser of this. For example in the above situation then the W18 would have to inform the organiser if they wanted to compete for the W21 championship.
No entries also for W14, W16, W18 and W20
I googled the rules for SEOA competitions and came back with a document written by NeilC in 2010 which says
"If a competitor runs a course other than that recommended for their age class then they shall still be eligible for a medal assuming that their is an appropriate class associated with the course being run. Where there are several possible classes then they shall automatically entered into the closest class to their actual age class. For example if an W18 runs a course above that designated for W18 but does host the W20 and W21 classes then that competitor shall automatically be deemed to be entering the W20 class.
If a competitor wants to run up to a particular class then they must inform the organiser of this. For example in the above situation then the W18 would have to inform the organiser if they wanted to compete for the W21 championship.
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Re: Do you want a medal or what?
Traditionally rules used to allow W35+ to be competitive and even win an M35 category too (likewise for other categories).
JK (an M50 who in the last few years has won M35S at White Rose and M21V at Northern Champs ... yet used to run H21E in CH when an H40).
JK (an M50 who in the last few years has won M35S at White Rose and M21V at Northern Champs ... yet used to run H21E in CH when an H40).
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Re: Do you want a medal or what?
SeanC wrote:Who fancies being M35 champion of SE England?
Guess who's the M35 champion in SE Scotland ...
http://www.roxburghreivers.org.uk/resul ... index.html
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Test races at SprintScotland (Alloa/Falkirk) and Euromeeting (near Stirling).
Test races at SprintScotland (Alloa/Falkirk) and Euromeeting (near Stirling).
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Re: Do you want a medal or what?
Looks like someone took a "bit of a beating"! Not even close.
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Re: Do you want a medal or what?
The actual rule says
"assuming that there is an appropriate class associated with the course being run"
rather than as quoted above.
And yes women are eligible for medals on appropriate men's classes.
Can't see you taking home a medal on Sunday I'm afraid Sean.
"assuming that there is an appropriate class associated with the course being run"
rather than as quoted above.
And yes women are eligible for medals on appropriate men's classes.
Can't see you taking home a medal on Sunday I'm afraid Sean.
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Re: Do you want a medal or what?
JK wrote:.... and M21V ....
What is M21V?
Was looking at the JK info and I understand M21E(lite), M40L(ong), M40S(hort) etc, but what does V stand for?
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Re: Do you want a medal or what?
v= very short
Probably the one abbreviation that could do with a clear explanation..
Probably the one abbreviation that could do with a clear explanation..
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Re: Do you want a medal or what?
V = Very Short
See the course combinations for area champs for instance:
http://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/i ... champs.pdf
In CH there aren't Short class for every class, only for the 21 courses so they have Elite, Long, Middle and Short for H21 at the biggest events, D21 havign the same but no Middle. H21M would maybe be something like 40/45/50Short in UK and H21K (Kurz/Corto/Court=Short) would be more like 55/60/65Short in UK. Something like that anyway.
IMO a lot easier to understand since 21S is not really that short and not even experienced chaps such as yourself know what 21V is.
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See the course combinations for area champs for instance:
http://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/i ... champs.pdf
In CH there aren't Short class for every class, only for the 21 courses so they have Elite, Long, Middle and Short for H21 at the biggest events, D21 havign the same but no Middle. H21M would maybe be something like 40/45/50Short in UK and H21K (Kurz/Corto/Court=Short) would be more like 55/60/65Short in UK. Something like that anyway.
IMO a lot easier to understand since 21S is not really that short and not even experienced chaps such as yourself know what 21V is.
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