First and last chance for Wharncliffe from the north

[PG]

Oli Johnson has updated the map for the northern end of Wharncliffe (the area not used for BOC2011). The SYO event on 9th February is parking to the west of that part of the map, so is likely to be your first chance to run at Wharncliffe from the north west. (I was going to say will be, but I'm sure someone will tell me that they started there in 1977).

Half way through the planning process the Forestry Commission tried to withdraw permission as they are turning that part of the forest into a nature reserve. Luckily some pleading about amount of effort already expended persuaded them to relent. But we are highly unlikely to get permission again.

Details http://www.southyorkshireorienteers.org.uk/events/details/487-warncliffe-yhoa-superleague, entries close 1st Feb, with limited EOD.

[Gross]

Was British Relays there ? Or was it BUSF ? Can't remember that far back... getting old

[MIE]

Was British Relays there ? Or was it BUSF ? Can't remember that far back... getting old

Seem to remember BUSF in 1972 (or maybe it was 1973 -- I think that grey cell has
become disconnected ).

[PG]

One of our neighbouring club's forums has cited memories of "Head-High Brambles" at BOC 2011. I think those (and I'm sure they've grown in the memory) were over the road in Greno Woods, which was used with Wharncliffe for BOC 2011. Our planner assures us that this event's courses have been planned to avoid significant brambles, so you'd have to be well off-course to find any that are even thigh-high.

Pre-entries close tonight.

[denbydale]

Anyone any idea when the start times are going up on Fabian for Sunday's event?

[Homer]

Anyone any idea when the start times are going up on Fabian for Sunday's event?

They've been on the SYO website since the 4th:

http://www.southyorkshireorienteers.org ... startc.htm

[andy]

What a great area, sad that there won't be more races on it... The North end reminded me of some great Scottish terrain. Very few brambles too!

[nooomember]

What a great area, sad that there won't be more races on it... The North end reminded me of some great Scottish terrain. Very few brambles too!

Few brambles!? Is that because you went round the paths? I got stuck in plenty of brambles(check out my headcam video when it appears!), and so many ankle-twisiting overgrown rocks. It would be lovely on a nice day on the 'Chase' but driving rain and gale force winds didnt make it pleasant. I also noticed a few competitiors NOT carrying a cagoule - was it fully enforced?

Well planned and organised though - thank you SYO

[martin]

Did everyone have missing contours on their map?

I ran green, and between 9 and 10 took the easterly route choice, which on my map was level and then drop down to the control. It was soon apparent that the map was wrong but I continued UP the flat path, and then dropped DOWN the very steep bank. This route choice doubled my time for this leg.

The map on routegadget has at least 4 extra contours in this area which were not printed on my map!

Apart from that I enjoyed the navigational challenge of the event, although it was a bit physical for me.

Martin

[andy]

Few brambles!? Is that because you went round the paths? I got stuck in plenty of brambles(check out my headcam video when it appears!), and so many ankle-twisiting overgrown rocks.

Isn't going round the paths the only way to tackle forest areas in the middle of England?? I went straight on one leg and banana'd through some brambles near the end of the sBrown (14-15), wish I'd gone N to the path I lost so much time.

Hidden rocks are fine, felt like home! (for me anyway, Scotland)

Look forward to your video as I think you ran the same course as me

[ianandmonika]

Ran short blue and can't really say brambles were an issue. Just glad map was 7500.

[John-O]

Did everyone have missing contours on their map?

The map on routegadget has at least 4 extra contours in this area which were not printed on my map!

The contours on the two versions of the 7500 map are different. I had the larger one which has contours not on the smaller one. In some places there are only 3 contours between the index contours not 4; so one has gone AWOL. I understand that there is a longstanding problem with OCAD in that it sometimes loses objects when creating a partial map; but does anyone know under what circumstances this occurs.

Looking at all my versions of Wharncliffe maps, going back to 1984, and going from 15k to 7k5, it seems that there has been a gradual increase in boulders over that period and that they are getting bigger. The patterns of boulders on the most recent maps are different and I found it hard to tell which boulders were on the map. It is clear that a lot of work went into putting all the boulders on the latest version of the map, but I wonder if competitors (and planners), find it helpful to have so much detail.

[PG]

Did everyone have missing contours on their map?

The map on routegadget has at least 4 extra contours in this area which were not printed on my map!

The contours on the two versions of the 7500 map are different. I had the larger one which has contours not on the smaller one. In some places there are only 3 contours between the index contours not 4; so one has gone AWOL. I understand that there is a longstanding problem with OCAD in that it sometimes loses objects when creating a partial map; but does anyone know under what circumstances this occurs.

Apologies to competitors running on the A4 1:7500 map (Green and shorter courses). It seems that in creating the A4 1:7500 map we lost three contours that ran through the boulders just under the edge at the extreme south and then out across the moorland through the trapezoidal piece of woodland. There also seem to be three more single contours missing lower down. We don't think this impacted any required detail, so most competitors didn't notice, but it did affect route-choice on Green between 9 and 10; thanks to Martin for spotting and raising this and special apologies to him and any others on that course whose decisions were affected.

[John-O]

It seems that in creating the A4 1:7500 map we lost three contours that ran through the boulders just under the edge at the extreme south and then out across the moorland through the trapezoidal piece of woodland. There also seem to be three more single contours missing lower down.

I have noticed that some lower contours are also missing from the larger A3 7500 map as well. There are only 3 contours between the index contours which go either side of the start. If the A4 map was created from the A3 map then it looks like that process lost some contours in addition to those that were lost when the A3 map was created.

[Muddy Boots]

It is unlikely that the contour omission arose through creating a partial map. The most likely cause is that in erasing a point feature such as a boulder it is possible in OCAD if the pointer is not precisely positioned to delete a contour instead without initially realizing the error. Most mappers create continuous merged contour lines which means if erased a whole line will disappear. I have made this error in the past and only spotted the mistake whilst map checking before going to print.