Submittion of tesults to BOF.

[pedrolea]

Although most clubs are very efficient at posting results why are some so slow at sumitting these results to BOF? Do they not know this a requirement of all C level events and above.

[AndyC]

I had to explain to one club recently that the SUBMISSSION of results of level C and above is mandatory -with time limits specified within the rules (basically I'd done several of their events and didn't garner ranking points).
BOF are in fact asking for level D to be submitted as well to make their awards schemes work (although I do see an ulterior motive in that it reduces the possibility of small (CATI?) events being registered as activities by means of the pressure from participants who want the awards)

[SeanC]

I think I'm right in saying that only club "results secretaries" have the login/passwords to submit results to the BOF system, so that introduces the possibility of delay... if the result secretary is on holiday, away with work etc, the event organiser doesn't know who in the club is the result secretary, results secretary forgets login/password blahdeblahdeblah.

For clubs that are repeat offenders, an email to the chair seems like a good idea? Though there are clubs have committee posts vacant/volunteer shortages so maybe the results secretary is someone who's not that keen or hardly ever around?

The new incentive scheme was designed long before the new levy rules on activities/events.

[andy]

I think I'm right in saying that only club "results secretaries" have the login/passwords to submit results to the BOF system

Correct, though I think clubs can have two results secretaries, so it's possible to cover these kind of eventualities (not that we have a 2nd person, just me!)

[AndyC]

In the case I quoted the results secretry had never been informed that submission of Level c events was not a voluntary act

[roadrunner]

I think I'm right in saying that only club "results secretaries" have the login/passwords to submit results to the BOF system

Correct, though I think clubs can have two results secretaries, so it's possible to cover these kind of eventualities (not that we have a 2nd person, just me!)

Or presumably they could give someone else in the club their login details if they were going to be away...

[Mr Chips]

There does not appear to be a limit on the number of results secretaries any more. We have been granted access for most of our members who are likely to be dealing with SI at our events; I think we currently have about eight of them.
For many, the problem is that they have to recover their BOF login credentials which they may have had little cause to use in the past!

[dorien]

Clubs are getting steadily better at uploading results quickly. At Christmas, there were seven clubs who'd managed same-day upload of all events in the past year (or best six); now up to twelve. LEIOC have uploaded every single event on the same day for the last two years (as have we at SMOC, but they've run about 14 events to our two ). 22 clubs have managed no worse than next day, up from 15 at Christmas.

Tracking is here, obsessively maintained in the hope that someone will start a discussion just like this one: http://www.dorien.co.uk/O/ranking.php

The data down at the bottom of the table - i.e. who's completely failed to upload - isn't especially reliable. I load planned fixtures well in advance, and it doesn't keep up with cancellations and other changes. So clubs can get dinged for not uploading a cancelled event, or get away with not uploading if they hadn't announced the event in advance. But I've worked out how to fix this and should be working soon.

One common theme is that, if I attend an event, the upload will almost certainly be late. I haven't worked out the causal relationship here, but I'm happy to keep you informed of my plans so that, if you like instant gratification, you can be sure to compete elsewhere that weekend.

[andypat]

Your system seems to have one or two glitches still - for example Solways SOL event has scored both maximum for upload on the day and -1000 for not uploading at all.

[frog]

We get minus 500 points yet always download level c and above results within 48 hours and usually aim for within 24. We haven't had many of them though, only 1 in 2011 but I don't understand why we get minus points.

[smf]

Your system seems to have one or two glitches still - for example Solways SOL event has scored both maximum for upload on the day and -1000 for not uploading at all.

I load planned fixtures well in advance, and it doesn't keep up with cancellations and other changes.

This is because the Solway event was moved from Sunday 15th Apr 2012 to Saturday 14th Apr 2012.

20 MDOC 1350 8100 1200 1300 0 -200 1300 1300 1400 1400 800 1300 1300 1400

The 0 points for MDOC are for a chasing start event which shouldn't be included as chasing start events don't get ranking points and therefore a results upload is not required. The -200 points seems to be an evening event that has been allocated as a level C rather than level D.

28 HALO 1250 7500 900 1300 1100 -500 1400 1400 1400 1400 1100

33 MV 1233 3700 1100 -500 1300 1300

It also cannot cope with night events as these -500 shouldn't be counted.

37 NATO 1175 4700 1100 -500 -500 1200 1300 1100

The first -500 points is the cancelled NE Night Champs and the second -500 is revised date and venue, but shouldn't be included as night events don't get ranking points and therefore a results upload is not required.

45 GRAMP 1083 6500 1300 1200 -1000 -1000 600 1100 900 1400 900

The first of these -1000 is a relay event from the VHI weekend, the second -1000 the individual event from the VHI weekend (Should this be included?).

60 TINTO 666 2000 -500 1200 1300 -1000

The -500 is wrong, the Tinto Twin is held in Oct, but is dated July 2011 (which are correctly listed). The -1000 is for the British School Champs. As juniors don't count in the league there is no requirement to upload results.

74 RR 100 200 1400 -1200

Who has won the CompassSport final?

78 NWOA -400 -800 700 -1500

-1500 for the British Champs relay?

We get minus 500 points yet always download level c and above results within 48 hours and usually aim for within 24. We haven't had many of them though, only 1 in 2011 but I don't understand why we get minus points.

This is for your cancelled SoSOL from 2011!

Conclusion
This table is useless.

[AndyC]

37 NATO 1175 4700 1100 -500 -500 1200 1300 1100

The first -500 points is the cancelled NE Night Champs and the second -500 is revised date and venue, but shouldn't be included as night events don't get ranking points and therefore a results upload is not required.
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It was also run without a Controller so was actually a level D in the end anyway

[Marco Polo]

I wouldn't say useless although it has it flaws.

As has been discussed, despite their flaws, ranking points are still a relatively valuable way of assessing ability in orienteering. The terrain and level of competition vary enormously between events so comparing yourself against the standardised ability of the rest of the field is useful feedback. If Dorien's table can encourage results submission for ranking events then I think it is of benefit.

A separate point, as far as I can see all level Cs are supposed to be uploaded to BOF (I don't see anything in the guidelines that says non-ranking events are excepted).

[AndyC]

Somewhere on the BOF website there is a request to upload Level D events to make the two new award schemes work better

[dorien]

Simon, thanks for taking the time to provide so many detailed corrections! I have (I hope correctly) sorted out the cancelled events, removed chasing starts, relays and junior events, and corrected the date of the CompassSport final. RR have taken their rightful place amongst the "small but perfectly run" clubs - apologies to frog.

I show night events and level Ds, but only scores in bold (C and above) count towards the league table. It's not mandatory to upload either, but it's nice to show when (for example) AIRE got one of their night league events up on that the same night. However, I've changed it so that night events don't go negative.

I can spot Night events from the description, but I haven't found ways to sort out all the things you mention. For example, there was no way to tell from the description that first day of VHI weekend was a Relay, and I have no idea whether or not the individual VHI should be uploaded - can't see why not. And if a club say that an event is level C, who am I to argue?

Any other corrections gratefully received. Secretly I kind of agree on the useless bit, but that applies to a lot of the things I enjoy.