Running beoc but declaring yourself non comp should be outlawed - full stop.
Saying you are non-comp (especially if you win) is taking the piss out of your mates.
It is almost worse than not running at all. No - it is worse. Make a decision. GB champs, or SM. Then stick to it - but ask yourself which should matter more to you. If you still have a problem, change your passport.
JD
beoc should be mandatory
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yeah, i don't normally agree with mharky on stuff but here i do. SM is big etc (already gave reasons why it feels big and important in a previous post) and really good experience, if the Swedes have silly rules then fine play it by the book if it means you get to do some quality races.
While we're out here we should get as much experience of different races as possible.
Maybe one season we'll go "i want to be British Champ" and go for it but everyone has their own plan and their own goals for each season and longer term and people should respect that.
While we're out here we should get as much experience of different races as possible.
Maybe one season we'll go "i want to be British Champ" and go for it but everyone has their own plan and their own goals for each season and longer term and people should respect that.
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Melons wrote: if the Swedes have silly rules then fine play it by the book if it means you get to do some quality races.
why do they have them - surely its good to have more elite competition? and if it's because they don't want a Swede winning the Finnish Champs etc, then why not make it so only Finns can 'win' the Finnish (same with Norway/Sweden)?? Or maybe you can only run in countries national champs if you belong to a club in that country, could work well for Brits as we can be members of one foreign club
In short, people should not be restricted in what races they can run by some stupid Scandi rule, especially at the detriment of their own national elite championships.
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If the Swedes can have a rule
the British can have a rule too.
theirs is 'you can't run another national champs and be allowed into SM'
ours could be
'If you don't run BEOC you don't get to be in the national team.'
it seems to work for the WOC selection races.
the British can have a rule too.
theirs is 'you can't run another national champs and be allowed into SM'
ours could be
'If you don't run BEOC you don't get to be in the national team.'
it seems to work for the WOC selection races.
If you could run forever ......
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Melons wrote:yeah, i don't normally agree with mharky on stuff but here i do. SM is big etc (already gave reasons why it feels big and important in a previous post) and really good experience, if the Swedes have silly rules then fine play it by the book if it means you get to do some quality races.
if you enjoy britain more than sweden, go to sweden - orienteering should be about enjoying the races
- Numbskull
I think JD's right. I'm British and want to be British Champion. I have run the Swedish and Norwegian Champs before but it never feels as real ad run in the British Champs. Unfortunatly because of money and work I couldn't run this year.
Its my choice to live abroad but it would help if the BEOC was one of the selection races.
Its my choice to live abroad but it would help if the BEOC was one of the selection races.
- Jo S
Just like to express my full concurrence with JD. I'm British. I've done the British Champs every year since 1995, and I will continue to do so until I'm a cripple. Going to Lossie was not cheap, in fact, I probably could have done the Swedish Champs for a similar price, but running my national championships is very important.
Running another countrys national champs, and missing out on your own for "race experience" is bollocks in my opinion. This year I've had far too much "race experience" if anything. After WOC selection, I very much doubt if anyone will be saying "if only I had done ANOTHER big race and got that little bit extra race experience".
Surely you can get enough big race experience in Sweden without having to run SM.
Running another countrys national champs, and missing out on your own for "race experience" is bollocks in my opinion. This year I've had far too much "race experience" if anything. After WOC selection, I very much doubt if anyone will be saying "if only I had done ANOTHER big race and got that little bit extra race experience".
Surely you can get enough big race experience in Sweden without having to run SM.
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BEOC
Well I didn't go to BEOC so I guess this thread was aimed at those people like me. Had BEOC been a selection race I would have run of course and would have planned my early season accordingly. As it wasn't I planned my season differently and for my own selfish reasons I decided not to run any races in June prior to EOC as I get race tired. I believe that athletes sometimes have to make choices and sacrifices and although I would have loved to have run at Lossie and Culbin, it would have been another weekend travelling and racing - too much.
So - in the nicest possible way - sod off - we all do things for our own reasons and I had mine and I feel much better for a weekend at home, training and relaxing.
And in the meantime - bloody well done Helen W - she is kicking ass and deserves to be 3 time British Champion and UK Cup champion.
So - in the nicest possible way - sod off - we all do things for our own reasons and I had mine and I feel much better for a weekend at home, training and relaxing.
And in the meantime - bloody well done Helen W - she is kicking ass and deserves to be 3 time British Champion and UK Cup champion.
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I've been following this with interest and as an outsider have come to the following conclusions. If Beoc is not a selection race then you will obviously get people not attending. It could be for exams, being abroad, even being injured or resting up - it doesn't really matter why but what is important is that their absence should not detract from the performanmces of those who won on the day - there should be no " If so and so had been there they'd have won" I often said getting to the start line is the hardest part of the race - in this case look at it as part of the race itself. those who did not attend - and i'm not being judgemental - you are quite justified in having your own agendas - counted themselves out of the running, Ed and Helen were the best on the day and the first step to that achievement was making the decision and the effort to go. Ed is very self-effacing to say he might not have won if others had been there. If "ifs and buts" were fruit and nuts, everyday would be Christmas, they weren't he was, and that's that! it's a bit like pople not votong having no right to criticise the government of the country.
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I hate to say it, and I haven't followed the whole thread through, but I think you are all missing the point. The elite orienteers of britain should want to go to their national champs. It should be an important part of the season. It should be the highlight of the domestic season. You wouldn't get the swedes missing the swedish championships, and yes, the setup is slightly different, but I do think that we should all support the British champs.
BEOC is held at a different time of year and in different terrain that BOC supposedly to encourage elite orienteers to go and compete in a quality competition in quality terrain. So what went wrong? Was it really the distance? Or do people just not have enough respect for the domestic races. The british champs should not have to be a selection race for people to be bothered to attend. It is the british championships - that should be enough in itself.
BEOC is held at a different time of year and in different terrain that BOC supposedly to encourage elite orienteers to go and compete in a quality competition in quality terrain. So what went wrong? Was it really the distance? Or do people just not have enough respect for the domestic races. The british champs should not have to be a selection race for people to be bothered to attend. It is the british championships - that should be enough in itself.
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From a non elite who still runs elite point of view it was the distance to travel, the timing (I've got no exams, but it's a long way when you have to be in labs till 5 on Friday and back in them by nine on Monday), the money, and the simple fact that although I would have loved the Medium Race on Culbin, 10.7km on Lossie was too far for me to enjoy my run there. For me it's all about enjoyment and the travelling time/cost/enjoyment axis just didn't balance this time. Obviously this isn't to say that the race should be shorter, this is the British Elite Championships after all, but was it closer or with more travelling time - on a Bank Holiday (maybe an English one this time) for example, I could well have attempted it. I know this is just throwing up the "there's no date perfect for everyone" arguement, but I'm just saying that that's the reason myself and a good few others I spoke to didn't make the trip. I know we're not at the top so don't matter as far as the placings went, but the Women's field was incredibly tiny this time- it was much bigger at the JK etc.
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