Penrith Urban
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Re: Penrith Urban
I found (despite rain falling part way through my run) the map very clear and legible and my eyesight isn't the best anymore.
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Re: Penrith Urban
seabird wrote:.....The first thing that struck me was that the colours were generally very bold.....
I think that basis for a criticism is well off the mark seabird. The olive OOB/gardens etc is spot on. In urban maps/events the protection of the OOB areas is often critical to future use, so a no compromise on their indication on the map has to be a target for the mapper/printer. The map was very clear and well printed IMHO.
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I would not dispute a word you say about the need to make OOB areas visually clear - and this map was no less or more successful in this than all the other urban maps I have seen.
You mention the olive setting. This seemed to me to be particularly vibrant, where the more muted versions I normally encounter would have sufficed to show OOB clearly.
I have not used the map in racing conditions,. I am sure I would have found it ok, but I know some people struggle with maps that are too bold/shouty - not quite sure what the right term is. That is the point my observation was attempting to address.
I would not dispute a word you say about the need to make OOB areas visually clear - and this map was no less or more successful in this than all the other urban maps I have seen.
You mention the olive setting. This seemed to me to be particularly vibrant, where the more muted versions I normally encounter would have sufficed to show OOB clearly.
I have not used the map in racing conditions,. I am sure I would have found it ok, but I know some people struggle with maps that are too bold/shouty - not quite sure what the right term is. That is the point my observation was attempting to address.
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Haven't seen the Penrith map, but as a general comment, cartography is critical to the legibility of an urban map. It's very easy to produce something looks fine on a PC screen (especially when magnified), but is almost illegible when in use.
Narrow alleyways need to be drawn at two or three times their real width. Gaps in an uncrossable feature may need to be exaggerated too.
A flight of steps which goes up through an uncrossable wall probably needs to have the steps omitted where it goes through the wall. Contours need to be drawn very carefully, and probably broken in places; a dark brown line is hard to distinguish from a solid black one!
I repeat these are general points, not a criticism of Penrith.
Narrow alleyways need to be drawn at two or three times their real width. Gaps in an uncrossable feature may need to be exaggerated too.
A flight of steps which goes up through an uncrossable wall probably needs to have the steps omitted where it goes through the wall. Contours need to be drawn very carefully, and probably broken in places; a dark brown line is hard to distinguish from a solid black one!
I repeat these are general points, not a criticism of Penrith.
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IanD wrote:Contours need to be drawn very carefully, and probably broken in places; a dark brown line is hard to distinguish from a solid black one!
I repeat these are general points, not a criticism of Penrith.
A good example of that was at Ripon earlier this year, where an index countour crossed a narrow road just at the point where the road passed through uncrossable walls. One or two people read the uncrossale walls as extending across the road. That was the first time I became aware of the issue, and agree it's one that needs looking at (I was certainly unaware of the problem when drawing up Otley, but fortunately, as it was pure luck, there were no problems on that front). Adjustment rather than breaking the line would have sufficed.
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Sometimes these are things that you need feedback on post event - a mapper wont always see this first time round. In my experience mappers generally want their maps to be as good as possible and welcome contructively phrased feedback post event.
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Re: Penrith Urban
Speaking as one of the 10-20% of males with defective colour vision I thought that the olive colour for the out of bounds was very clear which it is not always for me. I expected to have trouble seeing the circles and numbers against the background (on viewing the blank map) but again had no problems due the numbers having a small clearance around them when against the olive or grey backgrounds. (I believe those with normal colour vision normally have problems with the grey).
Thanks and well done to the planner for this.
Can we have this as a standard for all urban maps?
The problem with contours across narrow gaps is also a major problem for me as I can't tell the brown from black.
Thanks and well done to the planner for this.
Can we have this as a standard for all urban maps?
The problem with contours across narrow gaps is also a major problem for me as I can't tell the brown from black.
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I was chatting to someone last night who got disqualified at penrith. she said she'd ended up rubbing off a bit of the thick black line due to folding map up/ finger pressure so had in her head there was a way through there and arrived at the gate to find a "nice man" holding it open for people who she presumed was a marshall!
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frog wrote: rubbing off a bit of the thick black line due to folding map up/ finger pressure
Can we have 10 pages on the best printing ink please?
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Looks like everyone has accepted (or at least failed to successfully challenge) the organiser's decision re DQs at Penrith. No changes to final results.
Now about that ink issue.....
Looks like everyone has accepted (or at least failed to successfully challenge) the organiser's decision re DQs at Penrith. No changes to final results.
Now about that ink issue.....
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Dear God - can't we put this to bed.
Enough is enough.
Enough is enough.
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Blonde bombshell wrote:Dear God - can't we put this to bed.
I'm not God (I think), but I've enjoyed this discussion.
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Just a thought ...
Did anyone lodge a formal complaint accompanied by a deposit ? Was there an event Jury convened ?
The standard event Protest and Jury system seems to me to be as necessary for urban events as for anything else. Possibly more so, given the myriad possibilities for random acts of a mischievous god.
I hereby offer my services as potential Jury member for any urban event I take part in.
Did anyone lodge a formal complaint accompanied by a deposit ? Was there an event Jury convened ?
The standard event Protest and Jury system seems to me to be as necessary for urban events as for anything else. Possibly more so, given the myriad possibilities for random acts of a mischievous god.
I hereby offer my services as potential Jury member for any urban event I take part in.
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Whilst having sympathy with people who are colour blind, I think you'll find it's well under 10% who are colour blind in one way or another.Reiver wrote:Speaking as one of the 10-20% of males with defective colour vision ...
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Oldman wrote:Whilst having sympathy with people who are colour blind,
And it is difficult to find sympathy for colour blind people who win the open course by three and a half minutes from the JK elite champion!
We appear to have got to page 10 without anyone saying "Well done spongey". So now would be a good time!
As opposed to my thoughts at download: "how the [nope] did someone run thirty something when it took me fifty something running flat out?"
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