Who makes the best maps in the UK?
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gross2004 wrote:Ok... if you can't blame the map for mistakes then if the MN lines are 20 degrees off & you don't know & you and everyone else doesn't run straight on a compass... who's fault is it? Your's or the mappers?
Happened at WC Final in Portugal in 2000 & wasn't discovered until following year:)
In that case you (the runner) haven't made a mistake... you've just ended up somewhere the control isn't (or taken a strange route to get to where it is)...
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Ed - diehard
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Steve O wrote:i think it's pretty lame to blame the map for making a mistake.
I always used to think that too, until I started running on some shocking maps.. I now find that there is a surprising correlation between my navigational ability and the mapper.
Maybe...
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gross2004 wrote:Ok... if you can't blame the map for mistakes then if the MN lines are 20 degrees off & you don't know & you and everyone else doesn't run straight on a compass... who's fault is it? Your's or the mappers?
Happened at WC Final in Portugal in 2000 & wasn't discovered until following year:)
Any comments on dodgy MN lines Godders??
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Lil' God'rs wrote:Any comments on dodgy MN lines Godders??
Wot me guv?
Did take several years for it to be spotted though.
At BUSA, where it was first used, Bilbo said it was a good map and he's the best mapper (according to this poll anyway).
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and there was pembrey with the north lines being at 45 degrees to top of the paper
thank god they changed that
thank god they changed that
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PorkyFatBoy wrote:Steve O wrote:i think it's pretty lame to blame the map for making a mistake.
I always used to think that too, until I started running on some shocking maps.. I now find that there is a surprising correlation between my navigational ability and the mapper.
Indeed. Mapping is a skill like navigating and some people just cant do it as well as others. I've made several maps (where's my nomination in the poll?), and when I run on them I'm aware something isn't quite right, but I can't figure out how to fix it without making it look wrong from another angle.
I always seem to screw up when the map is wrong. I think this has something to do with my style of orienteering (I read the map, but often lose contact mid leg and am not good at compass bearings). Its notable how the best people are also best able to cope with dodgy mapping because they aren't so reliant on a single navigational technique.
A mention here for the amazing Eric Weyman (a US mapper). He came to check on a map I'd made and pointed out (inter alia) the following errors:
Those dot knolls should either be rings or they are manmade features.
The reentrants here and here are too sharp.
That path shouldn't wiggle so much and is probably too close to the stream just here.
He was, of course, right (otherwise I wouldn't tell the story). But the amazing thing was HE HADN'T SET FOOT IN THE TERRAIN. Really good orienteers/mappers know what various terrain types should look like and can spot mapping errors.
Graeme (whose results are most strongly correlated with map scale)
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