Lochaber 2021 Scottish 6 Days
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Re: Lochaber 2021 Scottish 6 Days
Four ssss and two pp in Mississippi. Thank you for feedback so far. We have to seriously consider a Plan B for a Scottish 3 Days (1000 each day) but of course there are many pros and cons and risks still involved to make a decision. Is it viable? Cost effective? Would suppliers agree to changing contracts to provide less? What maps should we print - for a Scottish 6 Days or two Scottish 3 Days? Do we decide by club or personal preference? How will it impact on volunteers?
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Re: Lochaber 2021 Scottish 6 Days
housewife wrote:I think frustration stems from the fact that attending an orienteering event will have an absolutely minuscule Covid risk compared with sharing facilities at a campsite and any form of grocery shopping / catering purchase, both of which are deemed safe and both of which I’ll be doing regardless of whether or not the 6 day goes ahead.
Again the "because we can do A we must also be allowed to do B - and C and D and E ..." argument.
This is really really the wrong way of looking at it issue. There is no "safe" and "dangerous", rather than a small risk of transmitting the virus every time we meet other people. And each off those encounters ADDs to the overall risk of transmision. If the sum of those small risks of activities that each infected person undertakes during the time they are infectious is greater than one, then in a weeks time the number of people infected will be higher and the epidemic will grow exponentially - and there has been a five fold increase in Scotland over the last month.
So it is not a case of doing A AND B AND C AND D AND E...
but of doing A OR B OR C OR D OR E ...
And the things we prohibit will not nescessarly be the activities that carry greatest risk, but those that are least important. Maybe your grocery shopping is your highest risk activity, but we all have to eat. And the fact that some of things that carry a significant risk are unavoidable does not mean it is OK to do anything similarly risky, but actually makes it more essential to cut down the risks from other activities.
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Re: Lochaber 2021 Scottish 6 Days
buzz wrote:pete.owens wrote:Groups booked into shared accomodation would also need to change their plans.
What are you basing this on?
The Scottish Covid regulations applicable to areas in level 1:
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-protection-levels/pages/protection-level-1/
Under Holiday Accomidation:
... A bedroom should be occupied by members of only one household (or extended household).
In self-catered or other unregulated (unstaffed) accommodation, in-house socialising rules apply. In Level 1, a maximum of 6 people from up to 3 households can socialise in a private dwelling...
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pete.owens wrote:buzz wrote:pete.owens wrote:Groups booked into shared accomodation would also need to change their plans.
What are you basing this on?
The Scottish Covid regulations applicable to areas in level 1:
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-protection-levels/pages/protection-level-1/
Under Holiday Accomidation:
... A bedroom should be occupied by members of only one household (or extended household).
In self-catered or other unregulated (unstaffed) accommodation, in-house socialising rules apply. In Level 1, a maximum of 6 people from up to 3 households can socialise in a private dwelling...
That refers to level 1 which is where Highland is at the moment. Level 0 changes to 8 people from 4 households but otherwise seems the same. Level 2 seems the same as well so I think its only if Highland reverts to level 3 that group accommodation rules change significantly.
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Re: Lochaber 2021 Scottish 6 Days
don't think you need to worry about it being fair - there's been nothing fair about the past year. Personally I'd prefer to balance the quality of the areas rather than disciplines and spread the races through the week with rest days between, but any three days would be massively better than none.
Can't argue with that. The organizers will surely have more important matters to consider than fair allocation of the 3 days. (Personally, I would opt for 1-3-5, or any two plus Arisaig, really don't want to miss that one.)
Thanks for all your hard work.
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Freefall wrote:Four ssss and two pp in Mississippi. Thank you for feedback so far. We have to seriously consider a Plan B for a Scottish 3 Days (1000 each day) but of course there are many pros and cons and risks still involved to make a decision. Is it viable? Cost effective? Would suppliers agree to changing contracts to provide less? What maps should we print - for a Scottish 6 Days or two Scottish 3 Days? Do we decide by club or personal preference? How will it impact on volunteers?
Thank you to S6D for considering a Plan B, I sympathise with your difficult decision. My proposal is to keep everything planned for each of the 6 days exactly the same (as far as possible) apart from restricting the number of competitors to 1000. Of course this relies on getting agreement from 2000 plus competitors that they are prepared to run for only 3 days for the cost of 6.
Assuming S6D still need to make a Go/No go decision by the end of June (when details on the date for Level 0 will be unknown), it seems that a questionnaire needs to go out to all competitors ASAP with options of:
1. Should we cancel now
2. Should we go ahead now and possibly have to cancel at the last minute.
3. Should we offer a contingency of 3 races for the price of 6 if still at Level 1, but the full 6 races if Level 0 is reached by August.
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Discussions are taking place or will take place with the Day Organisers as well as key members of the Central Organising Team (Richard Oxlade, Margaret Dalgleish, Ross Lilley, Pat Bartlett, Freefall) as well as the Scottish 6 Days Board (meeting next week). Some are more enthusiastic than others as you might expect. I have looked at the possible reduction in costs/requirements for infrastructure as well as land charges. Not a straight 50% and of course it assumes those concerned (suppliers and land owners) accept what we might propose under a Plan B (as opposed to a Plan A Level 0 event with 2,000 each day).
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Freefall.... I see that as an attempt to circumvent the rules. I don't have access to or the knowledge of the data so I put my trust in Nicola and Jason. The safety of the people of Scotland comes first before orienteering.
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Re: Lochaber 2021 Scottish 6 Days
buzz wrote:pete.owens wrote:The Scottish Covid regulations applicable to areas in level 1:
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-protection-levels/pages/protection-level-1/
Under Holiday Accomidation:
... A bedroom should be occupied by members of only one household (or extended household).
In self-catered or other unregulated (unstaffed) accommodation, in-house socialising rules apply. In Level 1, a maximum of 6 people from up to 3 households can socialise in a private dwelling...
That refers to level 1 which is where Highland is at the moment.
Obviously so in the context of a debate on how the S6D might be able to proceed on a reduced numbers basis due to the area possibly still being in level 1.
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Gross we would of course confirm with all parties that they would be comfortable about proposals. Our funding and integrity means we have to be seen as above board and not circumventing anything. That's how Scottish Orienteering works nowadays.
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Gross wrote:Freefall.... I see that as an attempt to circumvent the rules. I don't have access to or the knowledge of the data so I put my trust in Nicola and Jason. The safety of the people of Scotland comes first before orienteering.
Presumably any change would be subject to SportScotland approval?
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I have recommended that this is one of the steps we should take.
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Gross wrote:Freefall.... I see that as an attempt to circumvent the rules. I don't have access to or the knowledge of the data so I put my trust in Nicola and Jason. The safety of the people of Scotland comes first before orienteering.
Gross, how can having 6 events of 1000 competitors each be an attempt to circumvent the rules? Level 1 allows up to 1000 participants at outdoor events/competitions today under scottish government/sport Scotland rules.
BTW who are Nicola and Jason you refer to?
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RoT.... I'm sure you're not as stupid as you sound Your proposal is to convert a competition of 2000 into 2 competitions of 1000. You will still be inviting 2000 + into Lochaber for the 6 days.
Ultimately you are suggesting we risk the health of the people of Scotland so you can run around a forest for 3 days....
Of course if the virus dies off and the vaccination is completed the entire debate becomes a non issue.
Ultimately you are suggesting we risk the health of the people of Scotland so you can run around a forest for 3 days....
Of course if the virus dies off and the vaccination is completed the entire debate becomes a non issue.
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Re: Lochaber 2021 Scottish 6 Days
Gross wrote:You will still be inviting 2000 + into Lochaber for the 6 days.
At level 1 it's Nicola and Jason who are inviting thousands of people into Lochaber. Only one post ago, you said you trusted them...
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