ranking list

[greywolf]

Hmmm so Matt Speake got more points for winning the age group sprints than Scott Fraser did for winning the elite sprints!

That's an error which has already been reported - the results from the SOL event the following day have been wrongly labelled. Scott won the age class sprints too IIRC

I take it these lists are not used for selection purposes

Of course not. Selection policies are available on the BOF website

that you have to run ..... lots of races to get a higher ranking

as before the rankings are based on your top 6 scores. since we're all a bit inconsistent it's obvious that the more ranking events you do the better chance than you will have 6 good ones, and that if you only do 3 you're going to be a long way down the list

But, by walking round my courses at the Scottish 6 days last year was I significantly inflating everyone else's points?

Not significantly, given the size of the field, but a little bit possibly (like, a couple of points each in a field of 100). Exactly the same happened under the old ranking system. If you really had a problem with that you should declare yourself n/c before the start

Ok so 1992 born 18s have ranking points but not the 1993 ones. Perhaps the algorithm still thinks it is 2009?

I think that BOF decided juniors could be included from the beginning of the year in which they have their 18th birthday, rather than when they become M/W18s - but you need someone in authority to confirm that

Some anomalies and effects of the algorithm & seed data may mean that in some circumstances competitors may get very high scores for good performances when running down. It's hoped that these are a "set-up" effect and will disappear over time, but it's being watched, discussed, etc.

[Mrs H]

It's obviously going to take some time to settle down -but personally i think it looks great (particularly the bit that has me 5 points ahead of Wendles)

[SeanC]

I like it too. It should be a good motivating tool for the new/average orienteer. Even with any calculation anomolies if you go to more events and improve your orienteering/speed you should go up the list

Should also be easy to cut and paste a list of club scores for your club magazine too.

[NeilC]

I think that BOF decided juniors could be included from the beginning of the year in which they have their 18th birthday, rather than when they become M/W18s - but you need someone in authority to confirm that

The board minutes say "The Ranking System is for participants aged 18 and above."

Appendix K (which the board approved) says "All competitors [who are members of British Orienteering] in classes M/W18 or older at Ranking events shall score Ranking points."

Event guidelines have been written on the assumption that Appendix K is correct. Evidence from the ranking list though does suggest that top year 18s are ranked but bottom year 18s are not. Really, really can't see any sense in that whatsoever.

[IanD]

Should also be easy to cut and paste a list of club scores for your club magazine too.

Particularly welcome this. Plus for the first time it is easy to produce a club ranking across all age classes. Very useful for handicapping our internal events.

[King Penguin]

HOC already have an internal club handicap calculation. Mrs H has taken a quick look and thinks the order of names at least at the top of the two lists are remarkably similar.
Seeing myself just 1 point behing IanD adds real motivation......

[Scott]

And I'm very excited about my battle with Arthur Boyt for 5th place in the KERNO rankings .

Evidence from the ranking list though does suggest that top year 18s are ranked but bottom year 18s are not.

That was the Board's decision:

The initial implementation is that competitors aged 18 and above in the year of the event will be included. There should be a further debate with Coaching Committee and Junior Competitions Group about the inclusion of younger competitors. This recommendation regarding the inclusion of younger competitors may be implemented in due course.

Really, really can't see any sense in that whatsoever.

You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment outside the proper governance structure .

[Angry Haggis]

Should also be easy to cut and paste a list of club scores for your club magazine too.

Particularly welcome this. Plus for the first time it is easy to produce a club ranking across all age classes. Very useful for handicapping our internal events.

Talking of club handicaps, one thing that is lacking from the new rankings list, when viewing by club, is being able to include runners who have the club down as their second club as well. The JOK rankings look rather lonely as most people have it as their second club - ditto the majority of university OCs I would guess.

[Sunlit Forres]

Talking of club handicaps, one thing that is lacking from the new rankings list, when viewing by club, is being able to include runners who have the club down as their second club as well. The JOK rankings look rather lonely as most people have it as their second club - ditto the majority of university OCs I would guess

And the military. Any comments Mad Mike?

[madmike]

Haggiis your are right, likewise for RAFO - have been told (so admitedly it's hearsay) that the new BOF database doesn't support second clubs - hopefully an ommission that can be rectified subsequently by BOF

Sunlit,
you type quicker than me!

[Homer]

...another possible improvement:

When filtering by age, I had assumed that if, for example, you wanted to look at M45 then all M45 and older would be included. Not realistic if you're ranked 10th in M45 but there are 5 M50's above you....

[ba-ba]

regarding closed club membership - the ShUOC list seems to have people I'd assume to be registered with their home club, and one ex-member from a while ago!

personally, as an average orienteer I think it'll be great for motivation. No offense, but I'd quite like to work my way upwards from the M40/50 realm I'm currently inhabiting sharpish!

[Snail]

When filtering by age, I had assumed that if, for example, you wanted to look at M45 then all M45 and older would be included.

I think this should be an option, rather than automatic. Otherwise if you are towards to bottom of M/W21 you will have the whole list above you!

[Snail]

I thought the most interesting point was that there are only around 4200 people on the list. (Probably true with the previous list also, but not as obvious).

There are over 8000 National Members (and something like 3-4000 Local members), so half of all National members have not participated in even a single ranking event in the past year.

Given that most clubs put on at least one ranking event a year, and one might expect most people who take out National membership to at least participate in their own club's event, that means the "active" membership is a lot smaller than I thought.

[SeanC]

I must have been to about 40 events in the past year, but as only one was a ranking even I am languishing in x thousandth place. In areas like ours with a strong local event scene you can have plenty of active members who maybe go to 10-20 events and wont be ranked. Mind you I'd estimate there are about 10% of our members who haven't been orienteering at all last year, and maybe another 20% who are very rarely seen.